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But if he could get a 2 or 3 to 1 controllable young talent ratio in trade that would make sense to me . Trade away 4 years of it for 12.

He's got to start somewhere. He couldn't last year and neither could any other pitcher. If Cease or Kopech had the kind of season Burnes did we would all be ecstatic that they had finally turned the corner. Burnes did as well as he possibly could last year, He came in 6th in the Cy Young voting. Just because he isn't a veteran doesn't mean he can't continue to do that . The trip has to start some time. Perhaps we can get in on the ride early and take it to the finish line while he still can be had for projected prospects rather than a boatload of cash that the Sox never pay pitchers. Of course it takes a leap of faith but with 1 great MLB season (that he had nothing to do with the amount of innings he pitched) , that's still one more than Cease , Kopech and Crochet have had and Crochet never had one in college either.

Like I said I view Crochet as a great arm no doubt about that. But it's his future I have doubts about. If you look at it from the perspective that he has a much better chance of being a reliever than a starter it all of a sudden becomes not terrible. You could also think of him as a much higher risk of arm surgery to shoulder or elbow considering how hard he throws even if it looks effortless . If I put everything together, decent risk of arm surgery, still at least until 2023 whens he's capable of giving you 150+ innings as a starter and that's if everything goes right in 21 and 22 , then I think I am being objective when looking at Crochet and not just salivating over his arm.

Better make sure you use some advanced stats to determine what exactly would make who better than the other one since they are in different leagues if you make a bet, just in case the DH in the NL does not come to pass this year.

I could see Crochet and Vaughn as the 2 headliners. Maybe too much ? But I view Crochet differently than others here. I say if any GM views him as a future stud SP deal him.

MLB.com just put out an article on the 10 best RH pitching prospects and Kopech isn't on it. He is technically still a prospect isn't he ? Does he still belong on it or has the injury and inactivity pushed him way down that list ? For those who follow prospects what's your take ? https://www.mlb.com/news/2021-top-10-right-handed-pitching-prospects

Hi8is name is Trevor therefore the other Trevor not named Bauer. And true a story bro, hi8is played against and hit against Bauer if I am remembering the post right.

But the Sox were making an effort on Machado not so with Bauer. I'd have to invite him over when he's in town . Just him ,me an @hi8is ( the other Trevor) talking baseball , playing records and having a beer.

He may not sign with anyone til it reaches 420, even though we have absolutely no reason to talk about him until proven otherwise. Maybe a Bauer Tweet about how good we are looking with some monsterously good talent.

Trevor Bauer already knows why. He's a student of the game. He loves baseball. He is focused on winning and improving himself and the team. He wants a ring and so does everyone associated with the team with the possible exception of the owner who likes to pretend he wants to win but is actually more focused on profits and doing things his way. As was said in another post, everything aligns perfectly to have Bauer on the Sox except he wants to be paid according to his talents and the Sox don't do that for pitchers who want big money for more than 3 or 4 years. AKA the Reinsdorf Way. We are still waiting for the Sox to sign a free agent who has more than $100M contract in 35 years of ownership.

The guy above u , yes. Bauer no.

James copied me !! ?But he was much more thorough .

Not didn't ; haven't yet .

Ad if this is a lesson that needs to be learned since the Sox don't seem to do it very often is SS's and CF's prospects get the most attention because they can be switched to other positions.

I understand, it's just I think you are getting a near Trout like bat in Cruz for the same money as someone like Tanaka , Ordorizzi, Paxton guys you really have to cross your fingers on. Cruz is due for regression one of these years but after being Trout like in 2020 how much drop off can we really expect ? That lineup and BP would cover up a lot of pitching regression if Keuchel and Lynn aren't up to their usual snuff. You could pick up pitching at the TDL but a bat like Cruz isn't readily available in most circumstances. Cruz seems like he almost single handedly got the Twins into the playoffs.

It's a big field and fielders played where they did in the past to equally space guys out to cover the most ground possible . Now if in the age of data we know certain hitters hit the ball in a certain place more often then they space the fielders to cover the ground where a guy hits it. To me it's the same. Just because you hit the ball hard has never guaranteed a hit . Baseball has always been a game of hit it where they aint'. They aint in the stands and they aint playin' a pull hitter the opposite way .So either hit it over the fence or put the ball in play where there are no fielders. Adapt to your environment or perish.

I think I speak for more people when I say I don't give a fuck.

If Bauer gets an AAV of $40+ per year for 5 years I will like , no i will love, all your posts from now until I am no longer able to.

I think he just laughed at your post. That should tell you something about him.

Reinsdorf read the OP and said " Time to fuck with that bastard. I'm going to put it out there that that Sox fans will be very happy right after Hector Tweeted about Cruz and the Sox and watch this schmuck it eat it all up with a big ol' spoon. Muhahhahaha !"

One day you're starting a thread facetiously thanking Reinsdorf for being Reinsdorfian and the next day you're trusting Hector Gomez thinking the Sox are going to spring for Nelson Cruz because there is more to play with than we think ? You are on a world class roller coaster my friend. Trust your instincts not Hector. Your heart is in the right place but not your mind. One vague Tweet about Sox fans being very happy and you lose it. Is it fun to think about ? Oh hell yes but it's not bloody likely. As a matter of fact it's so much fun to think about I want this post to age very very very poorly.

Time can never mend The careless whispers of a good friend To the heart and mind Ignorance is kind There's no comfort in the truth Pain is all you'll find

In wRc+ last year Cruz was at 164. That was tied for 7th in all of baseball with Mike Trout. Guys just lower than him include Jose Ramirez , Trea Turner , Bryce Harper, Ronald Acuna, Jr. Mookie Betts, Fernando Tatis, Jr., Manny Machado. Abreu was MVP and his was 167 .

I am actually very sympathetic to your post. I too think pitching is the top priority over anything else. However the Sox could ve decided that with the best lineup in baseball and a top BP that it can carry them pretty far this year in a year that FA pitching is a crapshoot. Cruz would be a bridge to Vaughn just as Lynn is a bridge to Cease, Kopech and other youngster who need another year to develop . I gave up on the hashtags you used a while ago thinking it's just to difficult to do for a franchise that has never done it and an owner who doesn't seem to care about it very much. Of course it may not be about Cruz at all .

I know u got some nice responses but to me it doesn't feel like EE at all. I never wanted EE , there were plenty of signs he was trending downward. Cruz hasn't slowed down at all. 169 OPS+, 2 WAR as a DH in just 214 plate appearances .397 OBP, .992 OPS. Even if he came down a little from those numbers he would still be one of the best hitters on the Sox full of good hitters. He would really have to have a precipitous drop to regret signing him.