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Don't think Familia is the money they want to rid themselves. Cespedes and Cano both top that list . To take on that Cano contract they'd have to eat money and give up player(s) since its still got 4 years to go. Cespedes is 1 year $29.5M but with a full NTC. I don't know if the Mets are trying to take action to change his contract from guaranteed to non-guaranteed which is a better way to explain it then simply voiding it. Apparently Cespedes could play in 2020 since he has been taking BP . Cano is owed $92M , AAV $24M with a cap hit of $20.25M since the Mariners give them $3.75M every year for the final 4 years. He also has a full no trade clause. Both would have to agree to waive the NTC.

Similar in a lot of ways , not every way. They are not identical twins. Basically a lefty FA signing to jump start the rebuild's finishing touches. I can't remember everything I found similar. Mostly it was age, innings pitched, post season innings pitched ,similar things for their careers. More than a one season comp that you are doing. I' m on the Wheeler bandwagon along with everyone else and my post already said people made valid points about his downside in the very 1at paragraph.

I made some comparisons with Bum to the Sox as like Lester was to the Cubs weeks ago. Very similar in a lot of ways. People around here talk about Madbum as if he is a bum but do have some valid points about pitching in a bigger park helping his stats and his HR rate. I backed off him because of a belief he'll end up in the NL but a guy like him with his post season excellence would be invaluable to our young pitchers. That's not really talked about at all because you sign players based on how you project them as numbers going forward. However I have seen posters here talk about his attitude towards celebration/bat flips not fitting in to our fun loving group of youngsters. He's perceived as somewhat of a curmudgeon. I think the Sox could use a guy like him . there is no post season experience on the Sox . Who better to prepare them for the post season than him ? If the Sox can be winners, Madbum would have fun winning too, just maybe more on the inside.

You know if we don't get Wheeler that's how some here will categorize it. If the Sox don't get Wheeler it's because someone like the Rangers over payed by more than the Sox wanted to over pay .

I think it makes Collins the primary DH against righties since McCann doesn't hit them as well as lefties at least eary in the season. I think before Robert and Madrigal arrive we see Collins at DH a lot as the Sox try to generate some offense early in the season when they aren't at full strength to see if Collins can get it going with his OBP and power. If he can once Robert and Madrigal arrive and a productive Collins they look very strong in the lineup. The only obstacle is Renteria if the last few weeks of the season regarding Collins playing time is any indication of future use. I think the FO realizes how significant a productive Collins can be and should be telling Renteria to play him early and often. If the Sox sign a DH that changes. I'm guessing they roll with Collins.

Ryu will sign for longer than a year. He's seeking 3 or 4 years and Boras is his agent claiming that his arm age is 26 or 27.Twins are already talking to Boras abut him. He came in second in NL Cy Young voting. He had a great ERA, FIP and WHIP and was in the top 1 percent of the league with a BB% of 3.3 .

In theory that makes sense but in practice probably not. He's already got the most teams interested in him than any other free agent. I think he takes longer to decide than this week because teams might still not be giving their best offers but the Winter meetings seem like a good time to make a decision.

I don't know if it's Jerry pushing to spend or it's been the plan all along once they thought the rebuild had run it's course. It's just really bad timing that it coincided with the upcoming spending frenzy this off season. That's why it's so White Sox. Only reason why guys are signing early is there are just better offers so far this early in the off season. Agents and players have a number in their heads and those numbers are being met. No sense waiting around when you are getting the offers you wanted. Wheeler might be different. They might be getting better than anticipated offers and might wait to see just how high they go. i might just go after Ryu instead at this point . Once Wheeler signs Ryu is the next feeding frenzy.

A good organization could've asked Moose how he would feel about playing other positions . It's not like DH or 2nd base turned out so great last year. He also could've backed up Abreu at 1st. Paid just as much for Yonder Alonso as the Brewer did for Moose. Friends and Family plan hurt the Sox more than missing out on Machado.

Makes sense. Marlins would;ve had 1st shot at him being the the opposite league and with the worst record right ? Guess they decided not to pass on him and let another team grab him.

Oh i know what you were saying I was just arguing previously about hating trading for 1 year guys like Pederson and previously Samardzija. It never makes much sense to me especially now still looking to get in a position to compete rather than needing a final piece to win a World Series .

I agree sort of with some of it. And I argued in the past for signing more free agents even in the non competitive window. This is so White Sox check it: While the Sox were in the rebuilding mode prices on free agents were down down down. I was begging for the Sox to sign Moustakas and JD Martinez to take advantage of the market Of course it didn't happen and probably for the best since our draft picks were better. However, now what is the board here talking about ? Free agent market being manipulated to hold down prices previously but now this year getting close to the new CBA they will be skyrocketing in what year ? Well it's the year the Sox decided they were going to be big players in the Free Agency Market. The same year as everyone else doing it so no one could accuse owners of collusion . I guarantee if you think the Grandal and Moustakas and Gibson prices were a bit higher you aint' seen nothing yet. And the Sox are right smack dab in the middle of this feeding frenzy. Not an enviable position coming out of a rebuild. So White Sox luck or is it mismanagement . Could this have been foreseen ?

Is it a Wood (Alex )burning stove or Cole (coal) ?

Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei

True and as a final piece that worked out to win a World Series I am OK with it too. But we aren't that close yet so I'd rather not trade minor league talent just yet.

Sometimes the best moves are not making moves. I know you like Joc but I'm always against trading for a 1 yr . players . I hated the Samardzija trade and I hated all the talk about extending/resigning him despite every single sign and quote from him pointed to him becoming a free agent. Terrible trade in the 1st place but at least the Sox didn't compound it . Glad he chose free agency. Sit on our talent . I rather see if they could succeed here than with another team. Cubs unloaded some serious talent.

Some here, maybe a majority, or 50/50 probably think the Sox won't spend on a DH. when pitching will be the next big expenditure and with Grandal, ABreu, McCann and Collins plus anyone else when backups get starts in the field.

Every good depth piece counts a lot. If Anderson, Moncada,Madrigal anyone who plays a position Villar plays, has a season ending injury or out for a few months Villar steps right in and the Sox can still compete,

You never know . SSS defensive grades don't mean much. If he has the speed for CF he can play right depending on his arm.

He would go straight to the top of my off season list ahead many I have been listing as a solid backup option like Moose or Holt or Kendrick. Just one year for the expected arb price isn't bad at all for a youngish, 4.0 WAR, switch hitting, power hitting base stealer who can play infield and OF. Plus for only a year you can see how he performs and decide if he could be a piece moving forward. It really depends on what some of those other guys are asking for . A Zobrist type guy is always pretty valuable on a contender. Could always see if you can trade Leury and keep Mendick to soften the salary blow.

Oh so you are a humanitarian now. Is that why you bring it up so much because you care about his health ? Funny that never quite shines through in your posts, You know you can die from snowboarding from running into a tree, you can break a leg or arm , it can be dangerous so I can extent the health angle to that too since the original question from you was "why would anybody give a shit if he snowboarded". There you have your answer from your own fingertips. Game, set. match.

Black Friday shopping Zack Wheeler on the prize shelf One hundred million

Day after Thanksgiving most people off . Be here.

Why would anyone care if Abreu chews tobacco ?

I might take Robert in a race with Billy Hamilton. Dude is fast !