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Did everyone forget how to do a winners thread ? Wins these days are too few and far between but at least the Sox made the Phillies look worse than we do. Grannie for Leury, 3 run HR for Eloy and solo shot for Timmy accounted for 8 of the 10 runs. Lopez didn't have great stuff today but still is much better than in the 1st half. Gotta call this a good rebuild game.

Frankly I have no interest in ranking one above the other. My hope is they all do well and become assets which is why I will stick up for Rutherford and most prospects because it's a long and winding road to the majors filled with plot twists and booby traps.

Yea Castillo and Colome were on the DR WBC team with him and Alonso brother in law and Jay personal friend. So if the Sox were truly preparing to add Machado for 2 years that is the way they went about it. Cruz was also a teammate on that WBC so the only reason they might've wanted Alonso since he was left handed and could play 1st base and was a part of Machado's inner circle. . As far as talent goes Cruz who was (surprise } more expensive but way more talented. So it turned out to be add 4 family, friends ,teammates,Dominicans while also underbidding on him while also throwing in a Frank Thomas diminished skills clause in the guise of games played clause. Still doing business the risk adverse way even with a top young talent at the top of his game who also stays on the field all year long. Its the Sox way to half-ass everything and people wonder why anyone has doubts about adding the right talent or offering the right contract or even presenting themselves in a way that doesn't look imcompetent.

They didnt assess Alonso over Cruz . You know it was purely about Machado as was Jay and perhaps Nova Castillo . Was it Colome that played on the WBC team with Machado ?

Tim Manderson !

That's what we all hope for and if he can pull it off he will be a better hitter than Moncada but he will have to take a lot more walks to get there. Has to develop sound plate discipline and patience.

IF he can learn to lay off the bad pitches. He's a really good mistake hitter but his approach to getting mistakes is not good yet.

Almost could see it coming. Pitcher was throwing a lot of meatballs and Eloy has proven he can hit meatballs.

Im thinking Eloy does something good here.

Instead of or along with b****

I wouldn't mind an attempted steal here.

That 0-2 slider wasn't ideal . I need to quit switching threads . I made 3 posts in Future Sox like it was the game thread.

Yay Bummer. Hey Sox you had a 5 run inning how about trying another inning where you score a run or 2.

When Rey isn't missing bats he has to have a quick hook once he starts giving up hits . Once his command gets better that might not have to be the case.

This. Robert shouldn't lead off as a rookie and I prefer him where his power can do some damage and where his speed is used more for defense than for stealing bases to limit potentially harming himself .

All the speculation about next years lineup is pretty pointless. We have no idea who the Sox acquire in the off season.

Let's go Rey get that 3rd out and limit the damage.

Smyly didn't throw a single pitch in the zone to Tim that AB. The 3-2 pitch was debatable and Timmy fouled it off but it was very similar to a previous pitch that was called a ball.

That's the old baseball way of thinking now it's different but I understand where you are coming from.

It's bad enough pitcher have to hit but damn ump that 2nd pitch was a strike ?

Thanks I think some times you get a bad rep for being negative about the front office but its all warranted.Your rep isn't warranted but the criticism of the FO is just to be clear. Everything you say in your post is true which was my point and many others at the start of the rebuild. They are half assing it as usual, unable or unwilling to spend it the areas that need spending when you decide to use young talent as a base for future success. Hahn may or may not have pushed for it but to me it's all on Jerry. He is the Chairman and I'm sure he takes his responsibilities to the rest of the ownership group more seriously than he takes doing what is truly necessary to build a winner. After all he won a World Series without all those things before. But sustained success is a different animal and according to Hahn rhetoric that is the goal and if you aren't going to spend on player payroll like teams with sustained winning like the Dodgers , Yankees Red Sox then you better spend it developing young talent to maximize it's value.

He is still my adopted prospect so I have a special place in my heart for him. Now we don't do adopt -a-prospect anymore.

But there is a lesson to be learned from Cleveland TB and Oakland. Is the goal sustained success or winning a World Series once in a while.? I'll take the World Series win . Only World Series wins count. Sustained success is just a footnote in franchise history books without a win in the World Series.

Well ,really the time to shift gears was at the start of the rebuild which would have meant overhauling the front office and getting modern in player development. Did you see what I wrote in the other thread about how the Astros signed Gerrit Cole or the number of high speed camera the Astros use throughout their system ? Can you honestly say the Sox could use that kind of approach with a FA pitcher ? They are woefully unprepared to sign anyone of consequence and even if Reinsdorf loosens the purse strings can he do it without imposing the constraints like the Machado contract offer ? It not even about acquiring premium talent. It's about using your resources and spending money to improve your chances to acquire that talent. It's not about how Chicago is a great town but how White Sox will do what it takes to modernize their thinking to develop talent from 15 year old intl talent to all talent throughout the system. I can't be confident they even know how to get premium talent or what to do with it even if the money offered is enough to acquire it.

I am down with this as minor league players are not ML players and should be subject to less criticism since they are so young and development IS NOT linear.