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Was watching camp scrimmage hi- lights. Dach has some seriously good puck handling abilities. Very loose D in scrimmages but he looked slick.

It can easily be accomplished since he wants to play for the Sox and the Sox value him as a player and leader. Secondly I don't see how my posts make you want to cry. I am basically saying the same thing as Poppysox. If you can get a good return for him trade him then resign him or extend him if they can't get what they want for him.

I suggested that earlier in the thread. Some kind of handshake agreement between Jose and the Sox. Since Jose wants to be here for the good years he should agree that the Sox will resign him after trading him. Since he wants to be here then how can be object to being traded if it gives the Sox another legit piece for the years he wants to be here? His agent might not like it and would prefer to field offers once Abreu becomes a FA but Jose is unique in that he doesn't seem to be money driven since his comments blew to hell any leverage in negotiations. In all honesty I don't think they trade him because the offers they get for him might not be worth it. But still the possibility of getting a nice return for him does exist even if it's not likely. If he isn't traded he might hit 40 HRs this year.

The Sox don't have to make him a QO. They can let him walk without one, plus, if he accepts, which he would, then it's around $18M for 2020 which the Sox probably don't want to pay him. That's why we are seeing speculation of a 2 or 3 year extension at much lower AAV. If they don't offer him a QO then he can sign with any team including the White Sox for any offer he wants to accept. If the Sox prefer to go year to year with Jose it's probably best not to offer him a QO because when he accepts it at $18M and if he has a good year then they have to do it all over again the next season probably at around $19M . It's better to not offer one and resign him at a lower AAV. But then you are taking the chance someone else offers him a much better deal than the Sox are willing to pay. However given the fact he wants to stay on the Sox really bad judging by his comments it's highly doubtful he accepts another offer unless it blows away the Sox offer.

Sure ignore the rest of my post when I praised him greatly. There's nothing wrong with getting a useful piece for him then bringing him back in 2020 . It would be like we kept him all along and got something for renting him out to another team for a few months. What's not to like about that ? It also gives Jose a chance to maybe get a ring or increase his value when he's a free agent if he has a good playoff series. It seems to be good for Jose and for the Sox. But you selfishly want to keep him for August and September and sacrifice anything that can help the team while also having a good chance to reacquire him, What good will come from keeping Abreu on the Sox for those 2 or 2 .5 months ? Will he lead the Sox into the playoffs ?

Great you've been like my fact checker today. Luckily for me my memory and guesses were both right . Thanks again.

1st thing I did was look at his Baseball Reference page and saw he was 6'4" 275. The next thing i thought was lose some weight like Avi did and loosen up that swing. Avi never looks pudgy but I always though he was too heavy. Avi was too athletic to be carrying so much weight. Not sure how athletic Reed is but I'm just going to guess that he's about 20 lbs. heavier than he was in college until someone tells me I'm wrong. Avi got in better shape and he became a better player for it. Reed I guess has a rep as a decent fielding 1st baseman so maybe he has some quickness or was light on his feet.I wonder how he would play at 250 lbs.

Let's say he gets traded to the Rangers . I doubt her gets a ring there. I think the Sox could convince him that they would take him back. There's no guarantee he will get a ring with the Sox so if he has a chance he should go for it. A player probably shouldn't be saying I don't want to go because it severely undercuts his leverage in negotiations. The Sox response in a situation like that might be to offer him less, but maybe they are fair about it. Who knows. My guess is the Sox hold onto him. As far as what they do after that . I have no idea if they offer him multiple years or just keep going year by year Jose probably would take a qualifying offer but do the Sox want to pay him $18Mfor a year or offer him 3 years and $36 or something like that ? I guess we will find out.

Gracias amigo.

This is a good post. There are many that say it's a business decision . If you can get anything good then trade him and let Jose know if he wants to come back in 2020 the Sox will do all they can. I say this myself. It's the right decision. Of course that's an opinion without sentiment. Really though we all love the Sox so there is always sentiment involved being a fan moreso towards the players than anyone else. Abreu has been a model citizen, a leader and a mentor and not only that but he wants to stay with the Sox and perhaps be looked upon as a Sox Cuban Legend like Minnie MInoso and yeah maybe he wants Yoan to continue that tradition. All I know he is good for the team and a great White Sox but trading him still might be the right thing to do under the right conditions.

Until Machado called them and asked about SD , they said it was great there apparently.Or one of them did . I just remember seeing it.

Didn't he just injure his knee also and out for the rest of the year ?

Eh I don't find it all that troubling. The Sox weren't expected to contend and they had a rash of injuries to pitchers in Kopech and Dunning and Cease wasn't ready. They brought him in to stay healthy and eat innings for all of 1 year. I know pitching badly doesn't eat many innings but he has stayed healthy and given the Rodon injury it became even more important. Would I have liked a better pitcher ? Sure maybe along with Nova. I was angling for Mike Fiers and/ or at least one of the injury prone guys who were on the market as a fifth starter but certainly not as a 4th starter. Remember I am the guy who has been wanting guys like Moustakas and JD Martinez during the rebuild so I was never against adding more talent during the rebuild because of the potential of flipping higher end talent brings back more talent and given the Sox drafting I wasn't entirely comfortable with not adding talent because of that. But the tanking more and drafting more /higher won out over getting talent and flipping it except in the case of relievers. The Sox went cheap with Banuelos , Covey Santana . It mean its still kind of burns me the Sox weren't getting FA's while the market was really down on a lot of them or didn't try harder for guys like Avi, Schoop, Fiers, Dj Lemahieu Wade Miley, Brantley and a few others. All the focus was on Machado and his friends instead of plugging a few other holes. Imagine if the Sox had signed Brantley instead of trading for the brother in law and Jay.Or if the Sox had Lemahieu at 2nd base with Fiers and Miley instead of Baneulos and Santana.

The problem with the broadcast is too many talking heads and they think the viewers are more interested in Thome and Griffey than they are on the prospects. I mean hey it's great that Thome thinks everything is great and that Harold and Griffey can joke around together but come on now talk about the game and the prospects . That last Robert AB you barely knew he was up.

Maybe Harold liked the band Heart.

Being politically correct wan't a thing when Van Buren was President , Now it is.

on the other side of it look what happen to Kimbrel and Keuchel. They refused QO's and had to wait til mid season to play and get decent offers.

Let's say Jose isn't traded at the trade deadline because the Sox decide he's a great leader , a great mentor to Moncada and expect him to mentor Robert in much the same way next year as well as a good enough hitter. That would be a perfectly reasonable scenario. The Sox then have to decide if they want to extend him a Qualifying Offer which will be in the $18M range. SO the question is does Jose accept the QO if the Sox offer one or test free agency with a draft pick attached to him which would be the kiss of death. They can also offer him a longer deal that doesn't average $18M a year. Or they can trade him and resign him . If traded he won't have a draft pick attached to him and would likely get better offers but probably nothing very long and God only knows what offers he gets.

Very good !

Woot Sox win. Great game . See how I did that Moan4yoan !

Well admittedly I am not watching the game on TV. I have the MLB network on from a Roku channel called Gade TV which kind of specializes in foreign station like the Caribbean Islands and Canada but it also carries some US channels like MTV, VH1,MLB Network, Weather Channel and CNN and some more. . When it goes to commercials i get an MLB logo saying commercial break instead of the commercials but once in a while the screen will flash soething else and this time it was a Sox game . No idea which game ,just saw a score and Moncada not the opponent or the inning. Must have been something from the MLB network but I dont know if they werewatching some old tape or what. Maybe I got something from the broadcast truck . lol Eird anyway.

Just remember as a catcher some times you might just want to look at some pitches to see what the guy is throwing and giving your team mates a chance to see it too. Many AB's aren't just swing at the great pitches kind of AB's.

Josh it's ok man , Moan is my pet project. Seems like a decent guy except for time spent on griping. Thats just a bad male characteristic , Just needs to learn more about being a nice person. I am mentoring him lol.

I'm sure it was but compare the amount out time spent saying something is terrible awful bad worst to the time spent saying that was great good awesome the best.

Ok i mean i have it on gameday so I knew the score but I also saw what I saw on my TV if somehow the score changes to 4-3 Sox ahead I will be worried.