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Well reading the same article, it gave me the idea of going after Zach Greinke. It would take a bit, but I think for this team, it would be worth it. I also think he would come cheaper than Justin Duscherer.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 12:41 PM) I dont remember Skiles ever talking about Gordon being an elite defender ever. I remember him talking about Kirk that way, but never Ben I didn't say elite, I said above average. He's said it a couple of times in post game interviews when he's guarding PG's. He's also been quoted in the Sun-times before talking about how Ben really had terrible technique defending his rookie year but has really improved to the point where he's not a liability and actually is above average guarding the 1 spot.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 11:56 AM) What's Scott Skiles doing these days? Um, coaching in the NBA.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 11:52 AM) Did you seriously say Ben Gordon's defense was above average? He is easily the worst defender on the team. Unless being caught 8 feet out of position and leaving your guy wide open behind the 3 point line counts as "good defense" because you had the presence of mind to hurry back and fail to block it. Sorry but Scott Skiles, seems to disagree with you. And it's against PG's as well.

QUOTE (DBAH0 @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 11:44 AM) You gotta feel sorry for Hawks fans. Just when it looks like they're on their way back to respectibility, they blow it all because they didn't want to re-sign their RFA's. Smith with the Warriors would eb fun to watch. Would involve Al Harrington would be my guess and some future firsts at least. Probably not enough though. Don't know if Miller would be the best fit for the Bulls, as he's pretty soft defensively and pretty injury prone. For that deal though, I think they have to pull the trigger. Also on Kirk, Denver has that trade exception they can use if they want. Bulls could always deal Kirk for a future 1st and a good young talent, and then re-sign Gordon if they wanted to. True, but I just noted both because if it came down to both Miller and Camby, I pick Camby all the way. Josh Smith trade involves Al Harrington, Stephen Jackson, Perovic anda 1st round pick.

Some news and notes as well, GSW is working deeply with Atlanta on a S&T for Josh Smith and the Bulls are looking to trade Cedric Simmons, Andres Nocioni and a 1st round pick for Brad Miller. Sac wants Noah to replace Simmons. And Bulls had a chance to trade Hinrich to Denver for Camby and thought about it too long. Denver presented them the idea, Bulls were taking too long, so Denver made the trade with LA.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 30, 2008 -> 11:02 AM) Deng has a tremendous attitude, has continued to work out and improve and had a down season and still put up pretty good numbers. The kid is going to be a very good player and I still believe that him and Sefolosha will be the best Bulls long-term (yes, thats right, I'm not slurping Derrick Rose). Um, Deng has not improved his game in the least bit. In fact, he's gone backwards. At least in his rookie season, he hit 3's. All Deng does is move great without the ball. He can't post up, he doesn't hit 3's anymore, he jacks up that stupid long 2, 1 foot inside the 3 point line on fastbreaks. He doesn't rebound at a good clip. And the guy does not have the mentality to lead or takeover games. 6 years for 71 million is a ton for someone with that many problems considering he's not even a big man. Now if he meets incentives, the fact that it can go all the way up to 81 million is flat out ridiculous because he's not that good of a player. As for Gordon, he thinks he deserves at least Deng money. I agree. At least he is dynamic offensively. He's been the team's best player for the past 4 years. And when he's stepped on the court, he's had the most impact. And despite what everyone thinks, the Bulls have done the best while Ben was starting, not on the bench. His defensive has gone from very poor to above average(according to Skiles), and he still put up arguably better numbers than Deng last year in a terrible offensive system while being injured as well. Put Gordon in GSW's system, and I guarentee he averages 25ppg. In fact, look at the top 25 efficient scorers, and Ben is on that list with nothing but all-stars. If you let Gordon go, you're not going to be replacing him with something as good and that's a fact. If he was a two way player, he would be considered untouchable. Oh yeah, last but not least, the Bulls were the #1 rated defense 3 years in a row before last year. We got 1 playoff round win. What this team needs is balance, not super defense at every position(which despite what many think, Deng isn't great defensively as he's pretty slow for his position. Taking away your best offensive player by far, you're really moving far away from offense. Especially you're only guy who can hit an open 3.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 08:52 PM) Thornton has a slider? Whoa whoa whoa, I said Poreda doesn't have as good of a slider as Thornton, I never said Thornton's was good.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 08:49 PM) Everything about Poreda screams "Thornton clone" Really? It screams poor man's Thornton to me. He doesn't have the slider Thornton does IMHO. If only one of them developed a good changeup, they would be devastating.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 08:45 PM) Sounds a lot like Poreda Poreda is a stud. You kidding me? Guy is awesome. Until we trade him that is, then he's another De La Santos who everyone will say, "I always thought he was a bullpen guy anyway".

Swish at least is really great defensively at 1B. PK has nothing in the tank it looks like. BA is excellent defensively in CF. And he gives you some occasional pop. It'll never happen, but it would be nice if Ozzie just tried it.

I just wanna say, BA would be a .400 hitter, with a .500OBP, 47HR's and 189RBI's if he started everyday. BA > Alexei.

PK needs to be the team's #9 hitter. BA all day, everday over him!

Guys, he's a grinder!

In short: Konerko blows Swisher blows Uribe blows We should hate on all blowing people. Rebuttal, not ones who play a good defense.

Well to be fair, they're supposed to have some interesting games this year. Last year though, seriously it was probably the boringest sports channel I ever watched in terms of actual games.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 03:57 PM) Way to not make any sense. How didn't I? Northwestern, Minnesota, Penn State, Michigan are teams that are on that channel from what I saw this past year. Pretty boring. Only decent thing was Kendall Gill.

His fastball according to WGN is around 86mph. That's the only pitch he seems to be throwing for strikes. His curveball isn't even close to hitting the zone. He's not using a changeup. And he's dicking around a ton.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 12:45 PM) If the Sox don't score, Javy will hold the Tigers down. If the Sox score one, Javy will give up two. If the Sox score five, Javy will give up six. So there going to score again and we'll score one? Javy is blowing hard right now. Falling behind almost every hitter.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 11:27 AM) I see us going 6-5 or 7-4 in the remaining games vs the red sox and yankees, that's my prediction i see us playing a little more closely against the angels, winning 1 or 2 of those games, and the same for the oakland series I see it being a tad more difficult than that.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jul 26, 2008 -> 07:58 PM) Missing your team's football and basketball games makes it a good enough channel for me. I guess Northwestern vs Penn State is a big time basketball game for some people after all.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Jul 26, 2008 -> 09:09 PM) a little delay for you? lol Yeah, but at the same time, Bobby isn't dominant in the least bit like he was on 05 and that correlates with him no longer that unhittable heat.

Full Count. Dammit, I wish Bobby just threw 100mph again.

Wouldn't be a Bobby Jenks' 9th if he didn't allow at least 1 runner in scoring position.

Not that great of a channel if you ask me. Apparently, they're supposed to be getting the good games from the Big Ten though.