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QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 07:37 PM) I think it's strange that no other team's rumor mill is churning like ours is about this. May be a product of the leading teams we're talking about.

Never going to stop going to bat for Albies

Clearly Hahn likes when all GMs are in one place. Must use a tin can with a string for privacy.

QUOTE (pablo @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 04:50 PM) This is both exciting and sad at the same time. I didn't really care when they traded Sale. I was one who got a little tired of his act, but Quintana has really been a joy to watch these last few years. Now, enough of the sentimental thinking...would love a depth package from the Braves. There's just so much to choose from in the 10-25 range to round out a decent haul. I totally agree with the whole post, though the stress of knowing we needed Q explicitly as an asset made it harder to enjoy this year.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 03:56 PM) Even with major regression, Judge will still likely be a very good player. A 200 wRC+ is obviously not going to continue, but a 130-135 wRC+ is quite reasonable and everyone would still be very happy about that production. My takeaway on Judge, and one I'm trying to avoid with others, is I'm done with player comps defining these young guys.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 01:51 PM) It likely was a tough discussion between dealing Samardiza and going for it, knowing that the Sox could gain a late first round draft pick if he left in free agency. Anything they traded two months of Samardzija for would have had to be appreciably better than the value of the #26 overall pick (and larger bonus pool) that they used on Zack Burdi. Guarantee it had nothing to do with that and everything to do with that sudden 10 game or so win streak that got us to .500.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 01:38 PM) There is a rental from the past couple seasons who had value. The White Sox had a great offer. KW said no to moving him. He wanted to try and compete. Legit punch to gut.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 01:33 PM) Interesting bit - WSox preferred Devers to Moncada. Apparently KW LOVES Devers. Dombrowski wouldn't even consider moving Devers according to this strong source. There was some conversation yesterday that sox may have been starry eyed for getting top overall prospect for Sale. Looks like that is not the case.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 01:29 PM) Just throwing this out there, but wonder if Cubs could be in play with the possibility they trade one of their young stars. If they want to sell low on Russell as part of a package....yes please No, screw russell. Don't want to have to think about rooting for him.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 01:12 PM) Call certainly more important than those two, yes. But that doesn't mean you just bury those two either, they're not org guys (at least not yet). Not saying bury, but with both Booker and Schnurbusch on age appropriate levels it's easier to push them higher with less concern of it destroying confidence. It would be easier to do if Booker was not struggling early. But, this is a short term fix. The crunch next year will be even more difficult. I think maybe they try to push Fisher to AA. But he makes more sense in W-S. Basabe makes more sense to repeat. Call same. All of Kannapolis has good case to be promoted. Add Robert to the mix too.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 01:09 PM) Way too risky to take on three significantly injured players and pray that works out for the White Sox. That's probably true but I would do that trade in a heartbeat.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 12:18 PM) Since taking over as GM Hahn has shown consistently that he is willing to sit out the market if his demands aren't met. This started with his first deadline in the chair... he was putting up what seemed to be a lot of "big talk" at the time who many questioned as posturing.... however, he displayed integrity and kind of put the GM circle on notice. They all know by now that what the man says, he means. I have faith in his skills and background as a negotiator. But I don't think think this is what Hahn would do. It is being recommended he "wait out the market" by letting it expire for expendable assets in the hope that could translate as a bigger return for Q. I find that extremely risky in the hopes of adding some unknown % of a better deal to Q/Robertson.

I agree with you, was thinking Zevala would be pushed. But, if I'm sox, I value the progress of Call over a Booker/Schnurbusch.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 12:41 PM) Moncada wasn't on the table until hours before the Sox traded Sale and RH told Dombrowski, Sale was going. As soon as he can tell these teams it's happening, their best offer will then be known. The more the merrier. I don't quibble with the idea, but the timeline according to that Boston Globe article (which was awesome, nice rundown from DD) was that they had actually established a package beginning with Moncada/Kopech the friday before, and were actuallyhaggling over what appeared to be Devers as the 3rd piece, when Hahn proposed Basabe/Diaz as the 3rd and 4th which sealed it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 12:03 PM) Let's be honest here. If this were actually about the security and clarity of our elections, the objective wouldn't have been to publicly detail every single vulnerability in our electoral process. Much like our government actually operates they would have denied the intrusions, they would have identified the vulnerabilities, and fixed them all without admitting anything ever happened to bring the legitimacy of our entire governmental structure into doubt, from the top all of the way down to every single local election. If this were done like we have always done these things, we would continue to meddle in the elections of those who opposed us, again very silently, and figure out a way to even the score at the most inopportune times for Russia. We'd do like we have always done and run silent CIA campaigns to elect anti-Russian candidates hidden from having American fingerprints on the elections to even the score. But this has never been about neither the clarity, nor the security of our elections, hence the willingness to hand every two bit hacker in the world the keys to our electoral process in exchange for ammo against Trump. This has never been about the sanctity of our electoral process as the left would rather delegitimize Trump, versus keeping American confidence in our elections. You can bet your ass that if Hillary Clinton had won the election, none of this would have become public, and if it had every one of those 17 intelligence agencies would be out front denying everything about it. This is par for the course for the parties. The Republicans do everything in their power to personally target the President. The Democrats do everything in their power to delegitimize the President. The collateral effects of these actions is secondary for everything. They will worry about potential war with Russia later, and probably just blame it on Trump if it happens. This is ridiculous. Is there any illegal action which is not actually the fault of the democrats? Your post contains a lot of certainty in your own hypothetical. There was just a similar approach to trying to hack the French election, to which they were ALSO open about how the hack was performed by a foreign power. And the report which detailed the vulnerabilities was leaked from an NSA contractor who is now in custody, not formally presented to the American public to save face. It doesn't stand up. This is the equivelant of sticking your fingers in your ears going neener neener. You bring up many good points about the hell that partisanship is wreaking on our government and personal relationships. But I can't imagine a worse aspect of partisanship than basing your moral center exclusively on what the other side has done, especially when "other side" can be defined as some internet rando.

Well, I guess for Hickman no reason to move him off catcher until they have to because his other profile would be 1b, right? Last night was maybe the best offensive box score I've seen top to bottom in a long time, and that's without charlotte. Hopefully we are set for a nice second half. Poor Call though.

I like Ryan McGuffey :shrugs:

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 11:09 AM) I actually agree with FT on this one. Nothing wrong with burning a guy to show negotiating strength. This is no different than eating salary to improve your return. This is just using that concept across more than one transaction - basically eating salary today to improve a return in a different transaction later. I absolutely expect we will end up with some of these guys after the non-waiver deadline and even after the waiver deadline, simply because we didn't want to give a guy away for nothing. I just find it more likely that teams won't view the White Sox as serious sellers and will move on to teams that are negotiating honestly. This has all the potential of being too clever by half.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 11:26 AM) This is such a giant leap. Because Congress and a special committee are investigating the extent to which Russia collaborated with the Republican Presidential campaign to hack the Democratic candidate, the left is backing itself into a corner where the only answer is war with Russia? I mean, we didn't end up in a shooting war with Russia during the Cold War. I'm skeptical how this Congressional investigation and/or sanctions are putting us down an inevitable path to war. Contrast that with NK. If we invaded NK, the risk of an actual shooting war with China goes up exponentially. The best path to dealing with NK remains a regional solution, not a unilateral military decision by the USA. NK has the tacit approval of a country like China, who would view an invading force of western-friendly allies likely as an act of war. Russia doesn't have that help. It may have the ME countries. Russia has NATO surrounding it's western border. Can it guarantee that China would have it's back if it's activities pushed to brink of war? We have had a determent with Russia called NATO which had worked out well for preventing full scale war, along with nuclear weapons. It is for some reason being undermined just when Russia has performed maybe it's most successful attack on the US since the fall of the USSR.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 10:42 AM) Again, after hearing the lefts positions on places like NK and Cuba, it amazes me to see them take the exact opposite tact with Russia, and publicly pushing us towards war with the absolute most dangerous country on earth. Your position is that your sense of right/wrong is centered on the actions of some unnamed political commentors you disagree with?

Even if Giants trade a bunch of pieces I find it impossible they play as poorly in 2nd half. I know it would be some crazy team ending up with worst record even though Padres looked like they were destined. I would have never guessed Giants thou.

For instance, imagine if instead of Bobby Kennedy going after Organized Crime in the 60s, they openly embraced them and started attacking verbally all criticism and efforts to reign them in. How would history look instead? Kennedy certainly benefited from illegal influence which deserved to be punished had they proven it. But just because it happened then doesn't mean if it happened again it should be accepted.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 10:24 AM) Somehow I pretty well doubt that this was the first time, nor the last. Ok. But just because corruption may sometimes go uncaught doesn't mean we let a congressman go who has a million dollars in his freezer. Especially when this specific act has potential to continuously undermine the legitimacy of our elections. Trump could have legitimately owned the Russian issue by doing something responsible and actually pursuing action against Russia for the attacks on US elections. Other world leaders in similar spots have created legitimacy in heel turning against what was supposedly helping them. But Trump team didn't do that, they've lied about it repeatedly and sometimes illegally, they've denied it, and they fired the head of the investigation into it as well as floated out firing the independent council.

Michael Hickman has been playing pretty well so far in AZ. Unsure what his C profile still looks like but his stats are nice. He's been playing some DH too.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 09:37 AM) Especially since we know Gary Hart was negotiating nuclear arms with the Soviets in the 80's as a Presidential candidate, and nothing came of it. But Russia helped by performing a cyber attack on an american political party and some aim around voter registrations, not helping with a foreign policy achievement. In general, I think it's a pretty good norm to not openly accept foreign attacks on your domestic political opponents.