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QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 29, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) The quiet is a bit disconcerting, especially with how close things seemed and how quickly talks picked up Tuesday. Starting to get a little nervous. There hasn't even been a real FA signing. It appears these people aren't above the xmas to ny vacation.

So sad Sam Miller is leaving ew podcast. I liked Lindberghs writing more but Sam was hilarious on the podcast.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 29, 2016 -> 03:14 PM) More from Callis on Moncada and Giolito... http://m.mlb.com/news/article/212479282/pi...picid=151437456 Thanks shipps. Also notable: gleybar torres now his #2 prospect in baseball

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 29, 2016 -> 03:16 PM) Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 5m5 minutes ago Per @jonmorosi, the Blue Jays are back in "active discussions" with Jose Bautista Good

I'd prefer one of the outfielders like Saunders or Rasmus over a moss/carter/morneau. Offers more versatility to trade. But they may come at a 8 million price. I imagine we'll want to trade Robertson to be able to sign one of those.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 10:31 PM) I'm not arguing what Todd Frazier would be worth in this market, I'm arguing what he'd be worth during the 2017 season for a team that acquires him. Turner is coming off a career year, while Frazier is coming off a dissapointing one. There's no doubt that Turner would get more in this market. Having said that, it's quite apparent that teams didn't view Turner as a 5+ WAR player (which they shouldn't), but that he also took a sizable hometown discount. His $16M AAV does reflect his true market value IMO. What's interesting though is that Frazier was the superior player in 2014 & 2015. With a strong rebound in 2017 Frazier could easily eclipse Turner's contract next offseason, especially when you consider he won't cost a team their 1st round pick. Again, I think some posters here are seriously undervaluing Frazier because of his poor 2016 season. I fully expect a 3+ WAR season out of him next year and that should be very valuable come the deadline no matter what market rate you place on WAR. We aren't talking about how good Frazier is, we are talking about his market value. And his market is tiny. Tiny markets don't lead to overspending. His value to the white Sox at this point is largely what other players he'll create for us.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 09:51 PM) When did Todd Frazier become a DH? Am I missing something here? And Encarnacion is a 34 year old DH in a huge buyer's market who would cost a team their 1st round pick and was still able to get $21.7M/year in guaranteed money. The 2017 1B/DH market the 2018 3B market, so let's not pretend it's somehow predictive. As for Justin Turner, he clearly took a hometown discount. I don't buy for a second that's how the market valued him. You really think teams believe Turner is only worth $5M than Kendrys Morales? Or only $6M more than Andrew Cashner? Come on Balta, you're better than this. I am certain that if Todd Frazier were a FA this year he would make less than Turner. Frazier is not worth that much. Good player though.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 08:03 PM) Because I don't see their values going up, I'm in the camp that you have to trade Frazier at the least for whatever you get for him. If nothing else, we have a guy who can crew that position right now who I want to see play there for a full season. As much as I hate to say it, and mind you I HATE to say it, there's less motivation to move Cabrera because there's no one pushing that position who might be worth anything of value, so you might as well hold onto him and see if someone gets hurt on another team and they suddenly think he can fill in. Come to think of it, Frazier will be 2nd or third best 3b on next market, so maybe likely he takes QO

My guess for rest of offseason: Trade Q Trade Robertson Put Jones in as closer, Trade Jones at deadline. Can't move melky for more than a salary dump. Sox need to make decision if Frazier return is better than a 2nd or 3rd round salary allotment.

Aaron Brooks. Alex Smith?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 06:15 PM) The Bears giving up the 4th pick somehow for JimG seems like the Jags taking Bortles to me. Seemed like an overdraft to lots of people at the time but people justified it by saying "If you've gotten your QB it's worth the price". Both are probably true. That's too high of a price to pay, but if you are in a position where you have to gamble to save your job - taking no action at the QB spot or drafting a QB gives them a 100% chance of being fired while trading for G gives them a 75% chance of being fired, you do the math. Can anyone give me a recent example of a team signing or trading for another team's backup QB to be a starter and having it work out well? I just scrolled through the top 25 QBs this week and the only one that might describe is Tyrod Taylor. Hasselback

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 04:13 PM) Not sure I want to go down the rabbit hole of debating this but I personally don't feel like they would be idiots for not making that trade. Schwarber has the potential to be a top three power hitter in all of baseball IMO and isnt far away from that right now. Not to mention the guy proved he could do it on the biggest of stages. Let alone giving two of their starting lineup for a starting pitcher when they are already have three top 5 pitchers in NL

Good and relevant: http://southside.locals.baseballprospectus...2017-white-sox/

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 02:02 PM) Fangraphs actually has them currently projected as 5th in the AL just behind the Yankees. Their bullpen is nothing special but I think their rotation will actually be OK if they don't get hit too hard with the injury bug again. I think they'll be better than many think this year, a Wildcard isn't out of the question if a couple things go right, and they'll have money to spend in the next two offseasons. I don't think blowing it up is the right move. I don't really see getting a big boatload of prospects for Trout as improving their situation. I highly doubt their combined value would surpass Trout's unless they got really lucky. I agree. And next year the FA class will let them compete again. MiGo could be a good target for them this year as depth.

FWIW I do that trade every day. Interesting premise though holding the risk like that.

If Moreno turns the spigot back on the next two off seasons provide plenty to build a winner. I hope they do.

Pure entertainment: Would you trade (you personally) Quintana to Angels for the rights to Mike Trout for his 2019 and 2020 seasons? That's it! Four years of Q for two years of Mike Trout. Trout and Quintana would be on same team for two seasons.

Oh I found the cubs thread though, was that what we were looking for?

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 12:17 PM) Can someone point me toward to Jose Quintana trade thread? I could swear it was here somewhere. I just put it down...

Angels I just assumed could not pay but hell, they could make a trade work. Their farm was so reminiscent of ours 4-5 years ago where their top 5 are just their most recent draft picks. But Taylor ward is interesting.

I was just going through the entire league in my head and was thinking how I can't think of a good fit for Robertson outside of Nats or Mets. Is there another suitor you all can think of? Blue jays?

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 10:30 AM) I'll just add that our 2016 draft was outstanding. Collins, Burdi, Hansen, Call and another guy I can't think of right now just add to the talent Hahn is obtaining. The future- the near future- is bright. Fisher and Curbelo

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 10:24 AM) We will be looking at a 70 to 75 win team in 2018. So in two years we are already where we are now and on the up and up? Sounds good.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 10:06 AM) Nah. I guess I could be clearer but ill never freak out about rushing someone to the majors because I'm worried about their development or they're not ready or whatever. If you don't want to start their service time then that's a different thing. It depends. Was fine with TA callup, but Fulmer/Rodon were up too early and especially Rodon I wish could have worked out change up in AAA

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) Never had an OPS over .800, didn't have a higher OPS than Melky last year. So a few nice throws from RF made him one of the best 20 players in baseball? Not buying it at all. Sox should've sold high on him rebuilding or not and glad they got what they did. This is about the time where we get our daily rumor that leads to rampant excitement and eventually dies off around 2 or 3 PM as the reality of not trading Quintana for yet another day sinks in. Just get this over with for gods sakes. Maybe, but on April last year it felt like Eaton was singlehandedly winning is games like few players could.