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Clinton also missed a big opportunity after Trump bs'd about solar to talk about how solar prices continue to plunge and it created a 20% increase yoy in new jobs created. Solar tech helped soak up the blow that could have turned us into recession after oil drop killed houston/dakotas.

I think the disconnect is the possibility that maybe black americans vote democrat because they prefer democratic policies, and not because some singular group called "democrats" offer them "Free stuff" in exchange for power. This reminds me of when Rand Paul went to Howard and asked "Were you all even aware that the NAACP was founded by Republicans?" and the crowd screamed "YES" and he winces "oh, okay, well, a lot of people don't know!"

Lusitania is ...loosertania, than the others. Germany was probably right to anyway. Total B.S. move by US. And who was in power? DEMOCRATS.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 27, 2016 -> 11:22 AM) REMEMBER THE MAINE! Lusitania too. Boats. LOL. People still use boats. That should have been Trumps angle, not B-52s. "We're still out here, using boats! It's an ancient technology! The greeks, they were going around, they had boats, people made faces, Splat, they would kill them, and democrats, they don't want to try, and we're still on boats!"

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Sep 27, 2016 -> 11:20 AM) They almost never try in in any significant way that's worth discussing. Like "Hey, Allen West is black, let's put him in charge of outreach." Most black people, and I mean most, like 80-90%, hate people like Allen West for reasons white conservatives seem incapable of comprehending. A little empathy goes a long way, but it's seriously lacking. Something like "we have concerns about the criminal justice system and urban policing" is met with "you're all violent anyway, the ones who get killed had it coming. And here is the black guy we found who agrees with us, so there." That really goes nowhere. And black voters DO criticize Democrats all the time but the conservatives aren't really listening - they don't actually care. They've made that clear numerous times. Aren't you concerned that your opinion was actually just indoctrinated in you and you actually don't know what's good for you though?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 27, 2016 -> 11:18 AM) I presume 98% of his contractors get paid, or some high percentage. IF people didn't do their job, they shouldn't be paid. You can have amazing hotels without always having the best contractors on various sub-projects, etc. That is life in business. Now there could be examples where he is being ridiculous, I don't know, but not enough facts were presented to make me care one way or another. The tax issue was played brilliantly by Hillary and he was a knuckle head...should have just said those are the laws of this country and I follow the laws. I don't think you understand the long line of sour feelings for trump. He has had some amazing people work with him (the architect for trump tower in chicago is one of my absolute favorites), but the burned paths of banks, contractors and others can't be ignored. It's way worse than Bain capital. In Chicago, he held a friends and family event for people to buy early some of the condos at trump tower prior to build. They provided capital upfront for the project (risk) for a discounted rate. Then, when it became clear Trump could get capacity, he refused to honor the deal and forced them to pay the new market rate, after they had taken risk in him. This is a s***ty way of dealing with people. These were people from the law firm he worked wwith and their families. It may be why at the convention he couldn't find anyone with any real anecdote of their friendship beside dana whatever from UFC. http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/201...-namesake-tower

Poverty - turns out to be a tough issue!

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 27, 2016 -> 11:06 AM) I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. Perhaps I am not articulating it well. I am not arguing that she should not ever engage him...that is unavoidable. But she can do so by staying above him and avoiding the laughing and the big grin and then "WOW" reactions. That serves no purpose other than her own ego and comic relief for hardcore democrats like yourself who are already voting for her anyways. There are actually reasonably intelligent voters who are considering Trump and that type of behavior does nothing but turn them off. Maybe, but I think you underrate that democrats needed to be energized. They just aren't right now. She needed to show fight. They love that s***. They all watched west wing and thought it was a great show.

North America was apparently pretty hopping in the 1400s. Plenty of crops. Nice land management, little disease. Then immigration happened. Small pox. not good.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 27, 2016 -> 10:53 AM) It's not an issue of being kind to him or treating him as an equal, Q. It's more not reducing these debates to what he seems to reduce them to. When you've got an opponent as unconventional as Trump, I guess I would just like to see her respond more thoroughly and accurately to Lester Holt's questions than to waste her time playing games with Donald. I just disagree. I think if you actually saw this version of the debate the impression would be "Trump controlled terms of debate". We actually did see this, it was the foreign policy forum, he was allowed to spout insanity, it went unchallenged, it was scored a win for trump. It needs to be pointed out that "we need to keep all options open" for nuclear is a crazy unprecedented and stupid thing to say. And if there is a better way to do that then laughing at it, I hope she finds it. But it's better than just saying nothing.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Sep 27, 2016 -> 10:36 AM) Where are the Republicans in Chicago who would "fix" the numerous issues layered on top of one another that have piled up on the black community over the course of multiple decades? Seriously. They simply do not exist. There is no such thing. People seem to fail to understand this for some reason. Chicago is run by Democrats because Democrats live in Chicago. Additionally, municipal-level politics really have nothing to do with national parties. Preach. It actively hurts local discourse. I vote democrat at a national level because we can print money, but it doesn't mean I would vote for a $36 million pool locally because of democratic comptroller is endorsing it.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Sep 27, 2016 -> 10:30 AM) I dunno man, he's lied on so much stuff the last year, and despite the media pointing it out it doesn't seem to hurt him at all. Newspapers are beginning to run "here's all the lies Trump told in last week".

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Sep 27, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) Just because they don't want to hear it doesn't mean it's not true. So white people from rural ohio and iowa, what have they gotten out of voting republican? Are they stupid dumb idiots too? Your comment is basically that black people have no agency, they are voting for those policies because they think those are the best policies for city/state/country. They are pretty much like every other voters. If you want to criticize, perhaps we can get to the bottom of why white males are so certain that a racist buffoon is best to run the most powerful country in the world?

I mean, that's where I think Trump really lost. It really started last week with the Birther announcement. He crossed a line with the media where they stopped putting up with the crap where he can lie ad nauseum and it's hand waved. The "crime is actually lower now after stop and frisk ended" "NO ITS UP" "Actually crime is down in new york since it ended" "No" I mean, i'm sure if unfamiliar in real time people could be like, "here we go again", but in the days after, this will be played and it will be said, unequivocally, no, crime continued to plummet after those policies ended. His contention that he can just blatantly say the sky is red and the blue in the map is land is going to be a thing for this last month. It's no longer a "well he's very assertive and people like no nonsense!"

Yeah, black people are so stupid they became a part of a party and advocated for policies to help their community with their own representatives!

Yeah, so, the reason Hillary is voting is not because Trump is winning 44% of the vote. It's because 8-10% is protest voting. Dems lead registered voter polls, are tied in Likely voter polls. There are people that saw Trump advocate for a nationwide stop and frisk policy after being told it was unconsitutional, said it was because of a not friendly police judge. He also went to his war on women vote. Those protest votes will see that and move over, especially with Hillary's great answer on that, and correcting that crime went down after stop and frisk went away.

Look at Mr. Facts over here, nerd!

Trumps personality isn't that outlandish for real estate developers. It is a personality, grease-rubbing business. He's perfect for that. Doesn't mean it's great for a president, quite the opposite.

If she didn't laugh they'd say she didn't smile enough. I think she won handy because that is not the theme coming out and it's the easiest thing to hit her on. Trump was sniffing, screaming sweating and incoherent, but that's okay, he's trump. We get to treat him with kid gloves. She knew everything she was talking about, but responded to a stream of nonsense with laughing at it. But I don't think tha'ts a bad idea, people DON'T see that he is incoherent and dangerous, we saw that from the foreign policy forum. He said absolute nonsense but Lauer just went, okay, mmm hmm, and it passed off, nothing mattered. Things I want her to swing back on, tesla just built one of the biggest factories in the world in california. Use that in the "global warming is a hoax" to talk about winning green industry. 2 of the other biggest factories in the world are in Illinois. Ford is not losing any jobs from their plant switch, they are building two new cars. His thesis is we need to go back and time and keep textile factories. She needs to talk about getting america to skate where the puck is going to be.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Sep 27, 2016 -> 09:26 AM) On the Republican side, the only one with debate chops like Clinton is maybe Cruz, but Cruz was a punk ass b**** and never really challenged Trump until it was far too late. Or maybe Fiorina, but she wasn't a serious candidate. Kasich was good, but Romney was one of the better GOP debaters to come out in last 25 years

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 27, 2016 -> 03:43 AM) Why is someone who dislikes Hillary watching he MSNBC post game? I ended up watching MSNBC because of CNN's ABSURD 20 person panel.

It's obvious he isn't disciplined enough to execute, because he cannot have any perceived slight made against him without answering. That's why he makes his mouth into a butthole and says "WRONG" on things that will obviously come out to be right. I'm surprised the idea that clinton was rude when she was constantly interrupted by him, and verbally screamed at. Her dismissiveness of his word salads are what I believe will energize dems. They are people, like any other, they don't like constant weeks of pneumonia stories and clinton foundation non-stories. They want to see the person saying everything is terrible on the defensive. THey want a candidate standing strongly for ideals. I haven't heard it mentioned, but I thought her answers on policing were inspired and home runs. But the stuff that will get play is the end. Him going on tv and talking about how the model gained weight is the stuff that is so absurd it just demoralizes trump leaning voters to stay home and move out of that likely voter model. I think this group is underrating how this will get talked to death until the next debate, and she didn't "hit home runs", but there are so many moments that are going to get played to death. In a normal debate between normal candidates, a simple line like "you've been fighting ISIS your entire adult life" is so patently stupid that it would dominate. There is a lot here.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 26, 2016 -> 10:19 PM) Yup. I'm not sure how people sat through the Republican debates with this guy. It had 16 people. He was never in a 1-on-1 debate

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 26, 2016 -> 09:50 PM) I mean she certainly did better than him, but that is no high bar. Nothing that happened tonight is new; and while that may be all that Hillary needs to win, I thought it was far from a dominating effort on her part. She needed to excite democrats and I think that happened.

I had never read this before and I laughed so hard at this: http://gawker.com/my-conflict-1758741736#_...1662.1474923211