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I don't understand why Cincy would do that. They probably don't need to.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 03:45 PM) I think that's an indictment of the method, not the principle. Of course, with any job training, some people won't make it. But with the right programs, others will. Whereas if you prop those failing businesses, the money is just going towards executives of failing industrial firms' pockets while workers are part of a dying firm's way of keeping wages down. re-training will have some success, the other has none. And the economy as a whole is better with at least some of them transitioning, both due to the ability to move faster into new tech and having fewer people on various welfare programs. I would just prefer we do something radical here. We know job training has very little success. It's throwing away $100 for $1 worth of value. I'd rather we just give that money to those people, have them spend it on: their own education, setting up a business, setting up a trade and EVEN paying down own debts, being lazy, alcoholics in the effort that perhaps we see a real improvement of outcomes for employment than we'd otherwise see, than open up some job training, telling 100 people to be a carpenter when the local economy can't create it.

If we add Heyward for $200 million I'd still not be happy with Anderson and co for Frazier. There's just no match there.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 03:56 PM) I'm not trying to get political here, but DiCaro cynically exploits a victim mentality to insulate herself from criticism while she deliberately seeks out persecution on social media. It's just trolls trolling trolls to infinity and she milks her BS protected status as a woman to pretend like she's somehow above the fray. Okay, that's a personal opinion of DiCaro, but that's not what Rock said: Assuming this won't be just "Julie Dicaro in INTERNET", I'm just responding to the fact that that issue is very real, and a very hard problem in journalism. If you know any woman in news, ask what type of reader/viewer responses they get vs. a male. It is something very heightened for females. You may think DiCaro seeks this out, but many people who are just reporting on regular things get harrassed, have their address sent to them, told they will be attacked, etc.

Yeah not a bad plug-in, but, again, I don't feel like we are close enough to plug-in another 1-2 WAR player, especially one 33 years old. May as well play Sanchez/Johnson and see if you have a 1-2 WAR younger player, or a 3-4 WAR starter for good.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 03:18 PM) Shes making a movie or something about sexism on the internet. Anyone who bases their opinion of people on twitter or comment sections on articles needs to have their head examined. Having worked with women in newsrooms, the personal emails, stalking and comments they receive far surpasses anything you can imagine. This has been a well discussed and documented problem beyond Julie Dicaro and not something to dismiss because you don't like her personally.

Job training doesn't really work. Your money would literally better spent just shutting down the coal factories and giving them a bunch of money than giving them "job training" for jobs that won't touch a 45 year old coal miner.

Are you all watching the basebal market? Where everyone is paying 10 mill for closers and dumping top prospects to improve their bullpen? Is Fulmer's floor of elite bullpen so replaceable now that we should go for a 2 year 3b?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 10:08 AM) They don't have like any players that fit what he wants to do offensively. Bottom line is, regardless of the coach, this team isn't a contender. Which is the sign of a great coach, forcing players into an offensive scheme that doesn't work for them.

Wasn't that the same draft where Boston had multiple first round picks and used it to basically create their latter decade WS teams?

Jaye wasn't on 40 was he?

Also, I'd like to look at offensive stats from november and december from last year. The bulls offense looked really great until McD went down.

Carnegie hired pinkertons to massacre women and children who threatened to strike. Ah, the time of the American dream.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 09:47 AM) Hiding money overseas and using cheap labor to make goods to sell to Americans at astronomical prices. If the 19 century rich had the international world we did today, they would do the exact same thing. Astronomical prices? Have you ever been to another country? Try buying electronics in south america and come talk to me.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 09:32 AM) They're not, but we created and enforced anti-trust laws and busted up monopolies in response to the Gilded Age. We're sliding back towards more and more industry consolidation these days, though. We also had zero social net protections at that point. And if the goal of anti-trust laws was to prevent inequality, many of those companies ended up richer. Standard Oil quadrupled its wealth as the sum of their parts were greater than their whole. It was the income tax which accomplished anything remotely like what is being discussed. The consolidation is largely happening in industries where marketshare gains are combatting margin losses. We just prevented STAPLES from merging. Is this accomplishing anything?

I think its unlikely Frazier gets traded, unless the diamondbacks go nuts again. I don't like any of the proposed trades for him. We are a great match, except we are 2 years away from when I believe we can comfortably part with some of the higher pieces in our farm.

How are these rich people cheating more than the 19th century rich people? Was that when the american people had the american dream? When did the american dream happen?

My friend whose a blue jays fans loved lawrie's personality. Though I think toronto fans in general like really aggressive arrogant players as some sort of compensation measure.

Aside from giving more time to Mcdermott (which, with Dunleavy injured, would have likely happened with Thibs anyway), can anyone point to any criticism of Thibs that Hoiberg has "corrected".

Man, Nelson Cruz 4 year 57 mill contract is quite the steal.

QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 04:57 PM) Still amazes me that some people view Rick Hahn as like the poor puppet in this situation with almost zero power. While Emperor Kenny Williams is manipulating him behind the scenes to do evil acts. I 100% believe that Hahn is a tactition executing someone elses strategy.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 03:18 PM) That's where Hahn creeps from the shadows and says Urias, Seager, Pederson for Quintana now and undercuts the Marlins Honestly, undercutting would be removing Urias, whom they seem to have a special fondness for.

We could sign an average 6th inning reliever for 7 million at this rate.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 03:09 PM) I know this has been discussed a bunch in the Shelby Miller thread, but if this is the environment, perhaps the Sox should stop trying to patch together a playoff team next year and get on the right side of all the overpays. I feel this way as well. We have 15 WAR deficit. We don't have the money or the excess talent to cover it and keep our core. Brett Lawrie is nice, but it's a place where we covered a talent deficit with a marginal upgrade. We need shots at elite upgrades.

When media talks about available cheap cost controlled pitching, everyone talks about the Indians. I just see no smoke here. Sox aren't going move any marginal step backwards for a future haul.