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QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 12, 2012 -> 09:04 PM) While the injury has changed things, on the other side of that coin...where would this franchise be without the extremely lucky lottery win of Derrick Rose? Which was pretty much as big of a fluke as his torn ACL. So with his injury you are just about looking at the roster they would have assembled. The only reason this franchise is at all in any sort of title contention is because of that lottery, which doesn't exactly inspire further faith in their ability to make decisions. The amount of times things like that have happened in the NBA is startling. Counting on an amount of luck if you are a good franchise and bad luck if you are a bad one should be factored into your decisions.

I agree that GARPAX aren't who I'd choose at the helm. I'd prefer to have the God Appointed Hand that the Lakers have to make everything work. That said, Rose's injury makes their decisions look quite a bit worse. I think this team could have had really good success getting the Heat when the Celtics did, but we didn't, instead we have a year without our superstar. Mostly, I just don't mind taking a wash next year. It'll give us a playoff team and maybe a nice round of basketball with Derrick back. This isn't an interesting offseason to me, I don't like the idea of blowing it up to play for a draft pick, I think we'll be better served seeing what the hell is going on next year.

Those are just words you happened to type in to sentences.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 12, 2012 -> 07:22 PM) Its not just about that, I have many other reasons I do not think Thibs is the best coach for the Bulls. This was just merely one more reason to put in the bucket. And Im fully aware the Bulls finished 1st the last 2 seasons, that doesnt mean Thibs is a good coach. Plenty of teams win a ton of games with coaches that are actually holding them back. I love Thibs as an assistant, just not as a HC. You should probably back yourself up with something of substance if you are going to fly in the face of results.

Is there a specific reason they want to dump both? Salary? I don't see how trading Addison to get Street helps shore up our bullpen.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 12, 2012 -> 07:03 PM) That the Bulls need a new coach? Yes it does. Thibs isnt being objective here, he is being loyal and it will hurt the Bulls. Jesus christ, the bulls need a new coach because he likes the players on his team? The team that he has led to the best record in the east for 2+ years and the conference finals for 1? I know it's hard to watch other teams move and shake while the bulls do not, but this year was f***ed. Just deal with it. Getting howard would not do anything for next year, our roster might be so gutted to do that we wouldn't even make the playoffs. Especially if Howard decides not to give a s***, which is not out of the realm of possibility. Plus it won't hurt the bulls at all, the GM shouldn't listen to the coaches input on roster decisisons. This is just a colorful off-season anecdote. That it leaked is just media fluff.

Balta, thanks. I haven't been able to read anything on it beside someone summarizing the conclusions which mostly seemed to be just freeh saying they were bad people.

Just became irrationally excited thinking we might be timed right to snag Jabari Parker with the Bobcats pick. But my math was so. far. off. That'd be fun though. EDIT: UNLESS HE DOES HIS MORMON MISSIONARY TRIP!

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jul 11, 2012 -> 08:01 PM) he only played 5 games. His career average is 17.4ppg and 7.5rpg Ah, I didn't realize that injury took him out the whole rest of the year. Serves me right for not watching the thriller that was the 2011-2012 nets.

Can someone tell me how 7'0 Brook Lopez only averaged 3.4 rpg last year?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 11, 2012 -> 06:54 PM) The NBA is broken, very broken. The max deal is such a status symbol now it's ridiculous.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 11, 2012 -> 06:38 PM) He makes under a mill. But reports indicate the Wolves are looking to shed salary by trading guaranteed contracts and taking on unguaranteed contracts. Not seeing how it makes sense to trade Budinger for Korver in that case... If the Wolves are looking to shed salary, the bulls are not a trading partner. period.

How much does budinger make this year? Taking an expiring contract might make sense.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 11, 2012 -> 10:16 AM) I haven't watched much TV yesterday and just turned it on.. Are they really working on a trade now that would send Howard to the Lakers? And some of you guys wanna keep our core and wait for Derrick to get healthy? Wowza. Yes, or we could go to the nba all star tree to go pick some all stars. Bulls have their hands tied right now with the cap. Rose being gone ruined the 2012-2013 season, there's no real reason to do anything else beside what they do.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 10:27 PM) The Bulls team you knew is not going to be the same next season. The bench mob will be quite different Those changes mean little. Another year of chemistry among rose/Noah is great. Butler easily replaces brewer. The roles are not shaken up, save hinrich once rose is back.

Continuity is severely underrated on this board in basketball. The bulls staying pat with this team and then having a bunch of expiring contracts in 2014 really isn't an awful idea. If you shake up this team while rose recovers, the only thing to do is gamble, take a bunch of s***ty expiring contracts and hope to get a really great draft that you have the lottery pick in, in addition to 2015 when you (likely) have a lottery pick plus mirotic coming. But that sends a terrible message to your superstar. The bulls team is really good. They play excellent defense. Look at the runs that memphis and the sixers made relying only on defense.

I really want to know how much he fetches. The Red Sox probably got more for Babe Ruth, non-inflation adjusted.

He's going to end up on the lakers. period. This is the NBA, and they are the Lakers. This is what they do.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 08:14 PM) and Morel's, which forced a move that may or may not have otherwise been made. I have a hard time believing this.

People aren't high on him. The nets were almost able to trade him for a lottery protected first. He's just the nicest piece of trash on that trash roster that's available.

This is going to fall apart, this is way too much s*** to organize.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 07:04 PM) We'll see what other teams are kicking in 1sts, but yeah, it's garbage. Cleveland apparently will only take lopez if they are also getting a 1st, so they aren't going to be giving up a 1st. But yeah, Orlando, who wouldn't want an average center and 3 bad bench players for chances at FOUR MORE bad bench players!?!?! Christ, I hate the lakers but i'd rather take Bynum and no crappy 1st round picks than just a bunch of garbage players plus a solid starter.

Bulls now well poised to beat defending champion heat...of 2005

Me too. Let's bring back Iguchi for an ambassador role.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 10:53 PM) Youkils! It looks like it was Youklis, which is forgvble.