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I don't understand how you find those to be mutually exclusive. But I suppose the senile hapless Paterno was just wandering around on campus saying "I'm a football coach" while all these evil doers were acting around him.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 08:35 PM) This is just such oversimplification. There are always degrees of blame. There are degrees of culpability and responsibility. Stop trying to treat this man, who was at the time in his mid-seventies, and accused widely of being completely senile, as if he was the f***ing Don of a mafia organization. This "most powerful man in Happy Valley" statement is such nonsense and belies all common sense. He was the most powerful man around the football team, not the Administration, not the University. Go read an article about him before this all happened. He doesn't have email. He doesn't have a cellphone. Paterno is certainly not the victim here. But that doesn't mean he isn't a victim here. What? Who cares? Who cares that he doesn't have email or a cellphone. If the most revered man in that town goes and asks for a police investigation into a child rape, they would respond. If he goes in and asks for a cheeseburger, they would go get one. Paterno apparently got a sweetheart deal on his property ... why? Because he's joe paterno. But, yes, I see, it is more probable that he wouldn't follow up on the child rape, it's because he was senile. He clearly just forgot about it!

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 08:09 PM) Just to be clear. If someone tells you they saw a crime, it becomes your responsibility to make certain it is investigated. Just to drive this home tex, if one of your scout masters told you they saw a boy get raped, and you told your superiors, then continued to see that man around business as usual for years, and then a scandal hit showing that he was continuing to rape boys... people may ask that you no longer hold that duty. And in that scenario, you didn't get raped, you aren't going to jail, you just lost your job. Poor you. You are clearly the biggest victim here. Joe Paterno was the most powerful man in Happy Valley. Without a doubt. Within his football administration was a man serially raping young boys in large numbers, none yet completely known. At some point, he was told about this. No criminal charges were ever filed against this man. The public gets notified. He loses his job. The serial rapist being around is the problem here. All those that knew are tainted. You can't move on without removing that stain. Hopefully, those victims can. But no, I don't care that poor Joe Paterno has to retire comfortably in his old age. He is not the victim here.

How dare people form opinions based off primary and news sources instead of hypothetical moral candyland

Guys, stop giving PSU a pass, their legendary football coach that was synonymous with Penn State for 60 years has just been kicked out for his negligence in a serial child rape case on campus from his defensive coordinator for decates was fired, along with their president and AD. And students rioted over these revelations. Why do they get to have their cake and eat it too. Start saying something negative about Penn ST! green needed?

what are you TALKING ABOUT

He reported it to PSU 9 years ago. Continues to see person on campus, for 9 years. Still a danger to kids, throughout that time. Soxbadger, if you were manager in an office where someone told you he saw X raping a kid in the office, and you told HR. And nothing. And he's still employed. Yes, I would damn well say YOU should be FIRED for your role it what turns out to be a systemic failure. Not that you should get thrown in jail, but all who were tainted by this travesty should no longer be employed.

Yes soxbadger, people always believe people in power at face value. We are so incredibly wrong. JoePa, as stated a million times, may not have done any illegal action, but sometimes that does not matter. A child molester was running rampant in his program. You should take a PR class.

oh my god.

And yet, despite the special ire people hold for the specific priests that molested children, they are still very angry at the church for protecting their own and not the children. There is no moral uncertainty on what should happen to Sandusky. But with Paterno and Mcquarry there is uncertainty in others about what responsibility we all have to protect the vulnerable. And to those like myself who find that they failed miserably, there is more determination to make sure that is voiced. Just because JoePa might not be legally responsible, does not mean he morally culpable to the problem. Sandusky was using his status as a PennSt. former coach, his access to their facilities, to rape children. And they knew it. If Sandusky was shooting fish in a barrel, they provided the barrell and water and didn't ask for why.

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 01:10 PM) I just heard news of the firing this morning. Without question, it absolutely had to be done. I'm doing face palms over some of the posts on here arguing the contrary. He was the head of the program under which this occurred, and in many ways, "the most powerful man on campus." Talk about a "lack of institutional control": When something this heinous happens, those at the top bear ultimate accountablity and must pay with their jobs. His contract was up anyway, and he "retired" just hours before. BFD. Sorry, devils advocates. In the real world, this was an absolute no-brainer. Completely agree. I think the sports lens is what is hurting people here, I feel like it would be completely obvious if it was merely the charity, let alone if these were political actors.

I don't know how that's at all surprising, I don't think there is a stronger relationship between a coach and town as there is b/w Paterno and Happy Valley. I can't think of a more revered coach/town relationship, that article is pretty similar to things I've read about there even prior to this investigation.

I don't know how you would have read the Grantland article, but I think you're response doesn't fit what was written Jenks.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/720508...wing-penn-state From those capable of introspection

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 8, 2011 -> 05:09 PM) When we played the lions at ford field, I kept saying that we will probably lose this game, but we'll win in Soldier. I doubly believe that now. We had 1.2 billion false start's that game. Our new and improved safeties + oline has me excited. But I'm not guaranteeing anything against a team with Calvin Johnson. Also, no commentator mentioned the malaise with which the Eagles receivers seemed to play with last night. Jackson and Maclin both looked completely disinterested. I forgot why i singled Balta's post out. When I looked at the bears schedule 2 weeks ago, I counted 5 winnable games, 2 tossups and 2 losses. I counted the iggles as one of the losses and lions as one of the tossups. Going 1-1 in that 2 game stretch is good, but going 2-0 in that game stretch is a catapult. Very happy with Lovie Smith right now.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 8, 2011 -> 04:10 PM) Here's the kicker though...if the Bears lose next week to the Lions...that makes the Bears 5-4 on the season. 7 games to play...getting to 11 wins means the Bears need to go 6-1 in their last 7 games, including 1 game on the road at Lambeau. That's do-able against their schedule...but it's ugly. The Bears do not want to be in that boat. When we played the lions at ford field, I kept saying that we will probably lose this game, but we'll win in Soldier. I doubly believe that now. We had 1.2 billion false start's that game. Our new and improved safeties + oline has me excited. But I'm not guaranteeing anything against a team with Calvin Johnson. Also, no commentator mentioned the malaise with which the Eagles receivers seemed to play with last night. Jackson and Maclin both looked completely disinterested.

In more realistic goals. Vegas to begin the year put the bears at over under 8.5 wins. So many people hated us and picked the under they moved it to 8. I'd take a moral victory at 9 wins, and shoot Bill Barnwell a big haha.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 8, 2011 -> 04:34 PM) If people are keeping their money at the biggest banks, it is a trend, and it is meeting demand. Otherwise the local banks would be stealing marketshare in chunks. Having ATMs everywhere is important, which is why people either stay at, or move to, the largest banks. My qualm was not with the claim that people want more access. IT was with your assertion that people wanted global access. The smaller banks cannot provide convenient access even in a single neighborhood, let alone city, let alone region. A strong regional bank is a thing of the past. So you have 2 choices, hyper local, or global. If you don't want the big banks, you are usually trading off a SIGNIFICANT amount of convenience within even your own city.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 8, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) that's not a big surprise really as people have demanded access to their money instantly all over the world. the "people" you speak of consist of a very small percentage of people. That trend is not solely just the market meeting demand. But if I want a smaller bank in my neighborhood, it will have to be the branch closest to me and that's it. There are few smaller banks around me with multiple branches around the city. That's a distinct disadvantage, and there isn't a noticeable middle.

I don't like Tirico as a play by play. I hate the sound of Gruden. I used to love jaws on NFL Replay. But none of them beside tirico is a broadcaster, tirico just doesn't fit my tastes. If this game is so important to espn PLEASE steal Aikman. Aikman is the best.

The amt. of bank options available the past 10 years have precipitously decreased. Yes, there are options, but after Chase, Citi and BofA it becomes hyper regional.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 8, 2011 -> 02:56 PM) I came on here basically to say I was totally wrong about that... I thought they'd move Spencer and let Garza go due to his age. Truthfully speaking, Garza is as good as Kreutz ever was or better in the last 5 years. I don't know why people still hate Chris Williams. He's been nothing but solid for basically a full season now. He's a big part of Forte's success too, because he's so athletic, basically a tackle playing guard. All I'm saying is this, who do you think makes the best 5 for our Oline. In an unbelievable turn of events, I can't think of anyone that really needs replacing right now. 5 weeks ago I would have said they all need replacing. Omiyale tends to make everyone around him look worse. But I really have a hard time benching spencer right now. I'm not so sure that our best 5 wouldn't be: LT-Webb LG-Louis C Garza RG Spencer RT Carimi.

Another thing regarding Cutler's play. It seems to me the past few successful weeks, we have been bringing in the TEs to block and leaving only a few receivers to go out on a route. This takes away Martz's famed matchups. But allowed time, Cutler has been getting the ball to receivers that are only open in the sense that he has found a way to fit the ball in where they can catch it. In a game with 3 very good cover corners going against 3, frankly average or worse, receivers, our QB still managed to make that a successful play. No INTs thrown. 2 TDs (one gorgeous). This is his added value with time to throw.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Nov 8, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) He's been the most consistent O-Linemen on the team since the start. I think he's found a new home there for the next several years for the Bears. All I have to say to that is mehhh. He also probably has the most stupid mistakes and penalties. Considering the way the right side of the line has played, should carimi move his way back to RT, I like Louis's athleticism at LG, no doubt that he can pull out just as well if not better than Williams. The line is night and day since Louis took over at RT. He had the quickness to do what Omiyale so clearly cannot, he can move back fast enough on a speed pass rush to merely push the defender out past Cutler. BUt since then he has shown dominant blocking ability when they come back inside too. He was owning Cole last night. Second point, I've never seen so catchable a ball get dropped without ever touching the receivers arms, as I saw with Roy Williams deep ball last night. Somehow a throw over that man's shoulder hit him in the chest AND top of the thigh and he never got his arms by it. IF this was Madden it was a throw that would have just been sucked into his chest and transfered into his hands.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Nov 8, 2011 -> 02:10 PM) Bears just extended Garza for 2 years. Credit needs to be given in a couple of areas here...Martz deserves credit for realizing the fact that Forte is a much better outside RB stretching the field, than he is between the tackles (under turner bears kept trying to run him straight ahead out of the I). Also Tice's MO as a coach is that he likes big, nasty O-linemen that are maulers. Say what you will about the pass blocking (which has gotten better), but this Oline is very good in the running game. They are big, physical and are very athletic with the ability to pull and seal off the edges for forte. I really don't know what the bears should do with Carimi right now, because Louis is playing as well as anyone. While Spencer is playing well, the best option is probably to put Louis at RG and Carimi at RT I'm not do committed to Williams at LG