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Well, they were still a below average offense and could use an insanely productive bat.

If something changes next year and gibson is just average and we have better pitching options you'd be trading a pitcher on a 2 year/20 million contract. That is not difficult.

Not even joking that much but ... sox should hire Giolitos pitching coach if they get him for his help in reigning in a 6'6 pitcher.

Here is my Ryu hot take - so long you can keep him to 3 years, he will not be a difficult contract to shed so long as you can avoid a "big" injury (year long), which he has not had for several years. And if those happen: - The financial cost can be covered through insurance. The main cost is sox losing time without a productive TOR pitcher (which is substantial! people! We should be competitive this year!). Because sox are never near lux tax, that in theory should not affect spending. - In the case of small injuries, say the sox want to unload him after an injury plagued first year, I still see them being able to easily shed his deal on a team buying upside in an always-starved pitching environment with minimal salary kick-in. Will they get great prospect value back? No. But they can shed cost. So in that the main risk I see with Ryu if you can keep years down is the potential that the sox sign him but don't get the productivity. And with that, the sox really need to hit on a 2nd pitcher that has untapped potential and likelihood of health. They probably should have signed gibson.

totally agree. Years seem to bother reinsdorf most, and rendon offers a player that does not hit FA often, is truly elite, and can provide impact few pitchers outside the top three could. If sox could cobble an elite offense together, I don't think it's the worst thing to be a bit year-by-year in its outlook. Costly, productive vets become available at deadline, upstart pitchers emerge each year for FA.

October on soxtalk: "you can't send off your entire farm and ruin the rebuild for a player" December on soxtalk: "take them. Take them all. Who can we get? Marco Gonzalez? Sure anyone. ANYONE"

Also no offense to rankin but I am heavily skeptical of this.

Well, one they are yankees fans. But two they seemed to posture they would try to get the money to give them the edge. But Arte Moreno is competitive and probably pushed it to a point where cole just said he'd rather be home. I actually am not surprised this is wrapping up early. This is so different than last year. Each marquee player has multiple teams actively bidding and with histories of spending top of market for talent, and also teams that meet players on their own valuations instead of just other teams.

Interested in what yankees do.

Wouldn’t be that far off. He shouldn’t be our only addition, and you can get through much of April with 4 starters.

Yeah I think the latest CBA said you could only have a QO used on a player once. Weirdly Hamels can be tagged with a QO for the braves next year since he never had one.

Uh...Danny Duffy

Nope, he had a QO when Milwaukee signed him

Average would be good.

I actually did this exercise and it isn’t really true. Felix is as much of an outlier as Scherzer.

Of course it would be.

My fav pre Wheeler thread

I have Cole at 8/280 and I think that will be close to accurate even now.

Yeah, I can’t do the AAV math in my head so I stick to round numbers but 20% of that is what, 3/72? I guess that’s in line with some recent pitchers. He is a bizarre guy to benchmark.

It would be a deeper pitching staff which would add quite a bit of value to the Sox (especially next year), but it would be bloated and hard to improve upon.

For ryu, I’m assuming insurance may be higher for him so you may be looking at a 12% or so premium, but it’s also not hard to shed a two year 40 mill deal from a high promise picture with just 25-30% of the cost and then dip back in well next year.

Anything under 3/60 for ryu would be acceptable, then cross fingers.

The thing that sucks about wheeler compared to machado is his money will get redistributed elsewhere, and those options are not as inspiring. Next years class is middling, maybe there is Ray, but ideally they could have made a run at the OF with a much more favorable class. But the top level pitchers next year are the exact same level you’d just expect Sox to bow out of (syndegaard, etc)

Well, they kinda need things to work out. Because they aren't good at drafting, or developing, or scouting. It's not my fault the white sox rebuild requires so much additional help from FA, but since it does I expect them to execute.

Clearly the white sox weren't in a position where meeting the offer was enough. Because we have learned that he accepted the phillies offer. So again, they tried to hit the bare minimum required and it failed. And we should all celebrate.