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There is a difference between guessing where players will go and saying "an offer is out for 175 over 7". The other is specifically coming from somewhere else. I have to believe it's wrong, but this is a national reporter with lots of ability to talk to anyone, so it's not something we can just blow off.

Two tactics: - Boras never putting anything out there that harper will is courting or will sign for anything less than a record breaking 300+ million dollar contract. - Machado apparently saying "actually i'm not that expensive, i can't even break 200 mill!" I don't buy that lozano is an idiot.

For reference, that AAV may very well be what Arenado gets in arbitration or settlement for his age 28 season while under team control. If I'm manny i'm not jumping that anytime soon, to be obvious. Anyway, as I've said, sox shouldn't hold their primary objective as getting manny at the intersection of his market price, they should hold their primary objective of acquiring manny machado long term to be the staple of a rebuild of young players that is hopefully good for many years. And I think ultimately they do and this is "the official offer on the table" even though negotiations have it at a different amount.

Could be! But the guy also shot under 40% FG percentage and was pretty bad from FT too (60%, which is typically a bad sign for 3pt % too which was 32% for him). He was basically colin sexton in 2002 nba (sexton's shooting is across the board better in today's game).

I mean, signing the top SS because your top young players might have a sophomore jinx is pretty ambitious.

I disagree with your assessment. Tyson Chandler, ron artest, jamal crawford, elton brand, eddy curry were actually good draft picks and the bulls at the time were collecting a lot of assets, check out how many 2nd round picks they actually drafted! They fell in love with them, eventually got impatient and traded them for a 6th man. Chandler and Crawford are still in the nba for crying out loud, may be the best overall players from those drafts. Jay williams was whatever. I don't think he would have been good but 1st year point guard is hard. He was small, he wasn't that good at creating a shot, but sure. That run of draft picks from 1999-2002 was actually pretty freakin good.

are we repeating this conversation?

I like Madrigal, but you are removing some other elements of scouting. For one, the sox switched to "advanced"college bats, that in 2016 saw good patient approaches but high k rates. In 2017 they switched it up to both college hitters good patience, power and lower k rates up and the first 15 rounds of that draft. Only 1 high schooler. It certainly seemed like something the sox were lacking. However, these was also a pretty unathletic group. With 2017 especially it had the potential to derail some to lower value positions on defense. And it meant they were relatively maxed out. That's something that we are seeing with our advanced college bats. Exciting first seasons leading to ceilings very quickly as they approach age appropriate levels. The absolute slam dunk time the white sox could have spent on a high school position player was the comp round in 2016, which they took a college reliever. Could the sox have put together more money to get Gavin Lux away from dodgers? I don't know, but there was taylor trammel and bo bichette, joey wentz and jordan sheffield. The sox haul at the time seemed great, collins, burdi and hansen. But the thing you would say was a risk with all of them happened. I'm still bullish on collins as I don't like the soxtalk thing of moving them to a position the moment a negative scouting report on defense comes out. They drafted a college reliever with the first pick. They drafted a catcher very likely to move to 1b, then they drafted a highly volatile arm. 2017 they drafted an overweight 3b. He tore his achilles running. They drafted a 1b who can't hit for power, and paid him overslot! You look at other systems you just see much more variety in the prospects, more from lat am, more high schoolers, players that grow in the system to become top prospects. The sox acquire players at their top value then...see that they were essentially maxed out. They are either not confident in their ability to develop or not confident in their ability to identify talent when it's raw and younger. I hope 2018's draft ends up great. I hope Luis Curbelo becomes a monster. 2018 as a year on the farm was brutal, and the thing that sucks about college draftees is injuries destroy development time. But it could turn the corner! It's just I don't give sox benefit of the doubt that that happens, because it hasn't before. Other orgs that develop talent? Too early to grade but also more prospects that have already vaulted to relevance.

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I disagree, I feel fully confident in saying when harper signs it will seem like there is no market outside one team, and yet that team will still be giving him a record breaking contract.

examples here. It seems very good that sox are on this small island with machado, but it's foolish to assume that can't change and making signing at it's most optimal cost as the main goal rather than getting the player.

I'm not sure I agree with this. It sounds optimal, but it also assumes certainty on the bolded. Because there is a threat that the player decides against going with best long term deal for optimal short term deal with right team. A 30 year old catcher just reportedly turned down 5 for 60 in order to sign 1 for 18. Now 40 million is not 160 million, but considering the age and same injury risk, it is a gap great enough to say it was crazy not to accept the highest total dollar amount. I'd prioritize getting manny over getting manny at the optimal price. 7 for 210 would be fantastic, but 7 for 240 would not cause considerably more stress to payroll. At some point it does, but why would philly go with a first offer of 350 mill to bryce harper? There is a benefit to setting the level that is clearly higher, and not just on the precipice of acceptably highest bid. Now, the separate part of this the wisdom of continuously signing 5-6 contracts every year that everyone says "Well, couldn't hurt" for players that mainly serve as "more likely not to be terrible" than "likely to be good". For 41 or 42 million we acquired alonso, jay, herrerra, colome, and nova. This is incredibly dragged down by just how influential the signings/acqs of alonso and jay are to machado, but if it turns out they were not and it was a gamble to save money off the back that didn't pay off, I would call that the most hahn offseason class ever. A bunch of individually acceptable contracts that grouped as a whole are somehow worse than the sum of its parts.

This is the story the white Sox themselves prefer.

so, I'm very positive that we will sign machado and think it's going to be franchise altering. But allow me to be negative for a second... I don't understand why sox are so frugal in fighting the margins of the Machado deal but at the same time so willing to pay for replacement level production elsewhere. Our payroll is somehow 80 million for a frankly garbage roster. The As are at 67 million, and you look at it and you see the lack of 7.5 for colomes, 9 for novas, 8.5 for herreras, etc etc and it stands out. Those may be normal market value for those players, but I would bet we barely scrape by in those players paying for their own production. I really hope when our young players arrive we can stop overpaying for depth and using leftover cash to buy impactful pieces only. Anyway again, I'm very excited. I think Hahn is still pretty bad at FA though.

prepare to be shocked. He may go back to astros for 1 year for all we know, stay with what's working.

I don't think it would be toward sox, I think it would be toward manny, trying to show they aren't gonna just wait for him. That said, I don't see any clear winners here. I think people in philly may have convinced the owner whose available, the plan, and now people are excited and just blabbing.

Not machado related but if I was phillies I would not be thrilled with paying late career arrietta and keuchel. Keuchel at this point could be getting a 1 year deal for all we know though.

I could see boras plants. He likes to deal with owners and stoke with their emotional desire to make big splashes. This plays with fan expectation. OR It's a real leak from excited owner or whatever to that group.

Depends on their pitching staying healthy, I could see it being close. I could see a bunch of braves falling slightly back from last year. Tough division though.

Philly really should sign Kimbrel though if they are up on this stupid money thing.

Heyman knows not tweeting even nonsense about these two is leaving retweets on the table.

Okay. Glad that's over.

I was pleased with Lisle addition, but overall after last year I would have liked/expected some outside additions from proven player development staffs. There isn't anyone I'd single out, and maybe this internal development works, but I'd like some more proven voices.

324 with 17 posts now that I have that info.

Aw man, did that freakin pump me up.