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Grain of salt. Right now..yes obviously Bmac is in the pen but just cause the Sox say they want to keep all 6, means nada at this point.

Worst. Thread. Ever.

QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 08:02 PM) He's a future 30/30 and possibly 40/40 guy. Guaranteed.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:43 PM) KW makes mistakes once in a while. Last year everything worked out perfectly, even the greatest GMs don't have that happen too often. I do think if he trades him it will be to the NL or to a second or third tier team in the AL. He wouldn't want Garland to bite him in the ass next season. Every gm makes mistakes so sure he's going to make some, but my point is that he's closer to the Garland situation then we are and he obviously feels that he offered Jon a fair contract and now he has to move on.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:35 PM) Just look what Beane got for Mulder is all I have to say about that. and dont look at what he got for Huddy.

QUOTE(Beastly @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:38 PM) Can someone recap some of this thread? I want to know opinions without spending and hour reading all of this. A lot of people like the deal, some don't, sf1 doesn't like the yankees.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:33 PM) Evidently not accepting the team's first proposal for a contract extension, believed to be 3 years/24 million means you don't want to play for the White Sox according to Soxtalk. A lot of people are speculating on what Garland would command in the open market, and the figures on this board are so much higher than the White Sox reported offer, he would be a fool to accept said offer. Well considering Kenny believes that he needs to move on from Jon I think I'll go along with him, considering he's a little closer to the situation then we are.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:26 PM) Think about, I know what you're saying and understand what you're coming from but personally, I would not want to mimic the Yankees. I would rather have a team that battled to the end and won a World Series old school style than have a team with no chemistry, a bunch of superstars, and a lot of big ego's. The White Sox won the World Series in 2005 with clutch hitting, great pitching, defense, and team chemistry. Nobody hated anybody else on the team. None of out players tackled any cameramen. None of our players b****ed and demanded a trade. Sure Marte was a headcase but did you see him jumping around in the bullpen after PK's grandslam? And yeah, Carl was a nut too, and while he was mad about getting out of the 3rd spot, he put up and shut up and contributed. The Yankees are not a "team" like the Sox are. They are a bunch of individuals. And getting back to the minor leagues, the Yankees' have a pretty-much non-existant one. It's not like the Sox are adding bad guys here.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:09 PM) That's propaganda.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:54 PM) Well, now that Viz is gone, I see Dotel as KW's next target. Jas called that one. Could be, that's a definite possibility.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:53 PM) I can't believe you didnt have a Viz sig. Ha, well I'm not the only cursed one. Willie had gio and Young as his AAP's.

I was a little sad getting rid of viz but to be honest it won't be that hard to find a suitable replacement for him.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:39 PM) HIS AGE DOESNT f***ING MATTER ^^^ His age means squat to us if he's not here come next year. If you can trade from a strength to make the team better then....DUH.

Miguel Tejada is a f***in stud but trading Brandon is just a no no for me and even for Miggy. If we can somehow put together a package with Garland and Uribe and make it work then I'd be all for it.

QUOTE(VAfan @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:48 PM) If KW now turns around and trades 18-game winner 26-year old Jon Garland then he will have made things worse. Jon Garlands age right now means absolutely nothing to us. It's fantastic that he's 26 but he's a goner after next year anyways so it does not matter how old he is.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:20 PM) Getting mine 13 game plan.. Am I correct to assume that we are passing out the rings on Tuesday and not the Sunday Game? Correct.

For the record Joe Crede is not a fa after next season, I'm not sure how that rumor got started but it's definitely spread.

Adding that 8 mill is absolutely huge so that makes things a lot better. You definitely have to wait and see now to see what other things happen cause this could have a trickle down effect. Whether you like the trade or not I can't believe anyone would say they lost faith in KW after this move, especially when Vazquez hasn't even taken the field for us and Young hasn't played above AA ball. If Coop and AJ(don't forget how aj can help pitchers) can do there thing we could have 3 years of a younger Jose Contreras, just think about that for a little while. Overall, I'm torn on the deal a little bit cause I want to see what else happens but I got complete faith in Kenny.

I'm pretty sure Eischen is still under Nats control. EDIT: Maybe not, I see he has a protected contract yet he's listed as a FA so I'm not sure. He's definitely a guy I'd like to look at if he's available. Ok, he's still on the 40 man roster of the Nats so he's not a fa. Problem solved.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:52 AM) The sox AA and high a teams were among the best teams in their leagues. Don't they have players that could help in 2007, 2008? Broadway, Lumsden, Liotta, Tracey(though I'm not high on him) just to name a few. This whole team is virtually together through 07, by 08 we'll have plenty of prospects on the verge. It all makes sense if you think about it and Kenny's 3 year board that he always talks about.

Awesome news, steff. I'm glad to hear it.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:07 AM) The Score also just reported at 3:00 A.M. that we are receiving money from the Diamondbacks in the deal. Did they speculate as to how much?

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:02 AM) whereas undervaluing our own talent. I think it's more of a case that some of us over value our prospects then Kenny undervaluing them. Kenny hasn't made a trade in forever that has come back to bite us in the ass.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:36 AM) See, that's where we have our differences. You think Garland stays....I don't think there's a chance in hell he's on the White Sox next season. Thus, your scenario has McCarthy in the pen, which is a real asset. However, I think McCarthy will be in the starting rotation, and our bullpen will be weaker. I also highly doubt Baj has impressed Ozzie enough to make the roster. I know it's a short stint he's had, but Ozzie's the type of guy to form an impression based on a short period. To be honest fathom, I don't know what to expect anymore.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:30 AM) Yeah, I fixed that problem. Typed too quickly and didn't bother to proofread before I posted. I'll hold out hope the financial details of the trade have yet to be released. We didn't know Vizcaino was included until nearly two hours after intitial news surfaced. If Arizona truly isn't paying ANY portion of Vazquez's deal, then Williams deserves to be heavily criticized. World Series or not, you still have to be a sensible general manager. EDIT: I didn't notice the link posted above by SSH. Until the exact figures are released, I'll hold judgement. You wanted him to be criticized after the deadline as well for only trading for Blum and we all know how that turned out. Just let the guy do his thing, no offense flash but I think he knows a little bit more then you and I. You even said before you wouldn't judge any of Kenny's moves before knowing what comes after, yet you seem already to jump all over him for this. You seem to like bashing him for some reason.