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QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 08:57 PM) 15 games down to 1.5 in the space of 6 weeks??! You're gonna have to explain that one. Yeah Cleveland got hot but if we played even decent baseball that lead is still 10. Who cares now. The record is about to go back to 0-0 and they get a chance to show us what they're really made of.. We did play decent ball nuke. We played .500 ball since August 1st(a few games over now) so we weren't choking, cleveland just didnt lose.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 08:26 PM) Distasteful but accurate. They totally pissed away a huge division lead This is so incorrect.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 07:31 PM) Politte NO. Can I ask why?

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 07:04 PM) And Actually I meant we should have taken El Duque over Viz not Marte. Well that was a fun argument for nothing. We both got our points across, agree to disagree.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 06:50 PM) If he's on the playoff roster than what do you suggest we do w/ him? He should ONLY come in to face a tough LH if Cotts is unavailable or has been used. The only time I want him coming in to face a lefty is when it's just him and Viz left in the bullpen, anyone else in our pen besides Vizcaino should be in to face a lefty way before Marte. To be honest, neither of those two are going to get much work at all in the postseason if you ask me.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 06:43 PM) Marte Vs LH's 23 ip, 24 hits, 15 bb, 32 K's, 1 hr. Vs Rh's 22.1, 21 hits, 18 bb's, 22 K's, 4 hr Righties are hitting .238 off Dam as Lefties are hitting .261 off him. Also, I've been talking about what we've seen for Damaso as of late, I'll admit I didn't look up stats before I posted all of this but it's no secret that as of late Damaso can not get any lefties out.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 06:45 PM) MY POINT WAS, I'D RATHER HAVE MARTE INSTEAD OF VIZ This argument started cause you said we need Damaso as a lefty specialist, and I said that's not where he should be used. Well that was 2 pages of pointless argument.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 06:37 PM) My point is Damaso can at least come in and POSSIBLY k a tough LH in a pressure situation. What Can Viz do again? We have Jenks, Hermanson, Cotts, and Politte who are much better and I mean MUCH better at getting lefties out then Damaso so why would we use him as a lefty specialist that's my point. I never said I don't think he should be on the playoff roster, I just hate how he's going to be used, he's not a lefty specialist.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 06:34 PM) He has a much higher era, more walks, less SO's and more Hr's vs Rh's First off, era for a reliever against one side is probably the most pointless thing ever. he gets righties out for then lefties as they hit way worse against him and get on base. Secondly, you're right he does have more walks against right handers but for about two months now when he comes into face a lefty he walks or hits that batter and basically everyone here could tell you that.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 06:25 PM) 32 K's in only 23 innings cannot be overlooked. Plus, Oz leaves him in there too long. He should only come in to face 1 or 2 lefties, and NO Rh's in crucial situations. I also think Cotts should be 1st choice, IF available........ But you do need 2 LH's to force the opposing manager to make moves. Who gives a crap about k's so he can strike them out when he rarely gets them out, problem is he can't get them out. A .387 obp for a lefty specialist..are you kidding me??? Damaso is much better against right handers because he can actually throw strikes to them. Also, needing two left handers to force the opposing manager to make moves is just crap in my mind.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 05:57 PM) We need 2 LH's out of the pen. Period.......BTW, vs LH's, Marte has a 2.35 era in 23 innings w/ 32 So's and giving up ONLY 1 Hr. Lefties are hitting .261 with a .387 obp against Damaso, that is absolutely horrid. He can not get left handers out.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 05:57 PM) We need 2 LH's out of the pen. Period. Why is that again?? I know Damaso is going to make the postseason roster, I just hate the fact it's because he throws with his left hand.

QUOTE(Brian @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 05:47 PM) USC seemed down and out at halftime. Helluva turn around after halftime, I would say...again. They dont try in the first half.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 05:48 PM) My point is, would you rather face Boston's offense or the Angels pitching. I definitely understand what you're saying cy, I'm just saying basically what Brian said, all these teams in the al playoffs are damn good and we're going to have to earn our way no matter what.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 05:42 PM) If you ask me, it's pick your poison. Would you rather face Damon/Ortiz/Ramirez/Varitek? Or Colon/Guerrero/Lackey/ Rodriguez?....... If you ask me, I think were better off facing Boston w/ homefield advantage. But if our offense doesn't show up, were screwed. Where if we face the Angels, and our pitching doesn't show up, were screwed. Flip a coin. It's pick your poison with any al playoff team, that's why they're in the playoffs.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 05:34 PM) Marte needs to be our situational LH NO, Marte can't get a damn lefty out to save his life, in no way, shape or form should he come in to get left handed hitters out, I don't give a damn if he throws with his left hand or not.

QUOTE(FlaCWS @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 05:34 PM) I know it's not official yet, but today's events make it very likely that we'll play the Bosox in round 1. That is the one team I wanted no part of. I realize their pitching is weaker than NY or the Angels, but Ortiz and Manny send a shiver up my spine. Plus they are the defending champs. I certainly wasn't rooting against the White Sox this weekend, but I was sort of hoping they would lay down for the Tribe. I like our matchup against LA much better. Now the Tribe will have to win 2 straight and Boston will have to lose 2 straight for that to happen. I still think we can beat Boston, I just like our chances better against the Angels. Everyone has their own opinions on who they'd like to play, the fact is it's ridiculous for a team to lay down so they can basically choose their opponent, the sox would never ever do that. If the Sox play like they can they'll beat anyone.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 05:30 PM) We should've ridden out Heads' hot hand. Let him get a day off. Once the playoffs start he starts every game thread, period.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 04:36 PM) In Florida game in endzone he landed wrong his ankle snapped wrong way, dam looked sick That was one of the sickest things I've ever seen.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 03:07 PM) That's it .. I am tired of the Vizcaino fan club. Time to rip thru his numbers. What part of a 3.84 ERA over 68 IP impresses you? What part of a .278 BAA & a 1.50 WHIP impresses you? What part of 6W, 5L, & only 8H over 68 appearances impresses you? It's a 4 team season now so let's look at how he stacks up against the rest: v BOS: .320OBP .513SLG .833OPS 1L vs v LAA: .380OBP .489SLG .869OPS vs Now I don't know if it's dawned on you yet but these are our likely opponents on a road to the WS. That doesn't inspire confidence for a White Sox fan. Marte is a no-brainer. You can't go to battle with just 1 LH RP. You must have at least 2. But with the success of Hermy, Politte, Jenks, Vizcaino is NOT needed. Having El Duque & BMac on the roster for emergency long relief & starts is the wise move. What vizcaino fan club?? I don't think Viz is the best pitcher in the world but he's sure as hell better then the Duke at this point and that's a no brainer.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 02:34 PM) He isn't Vizcaino. He's much worse.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 02:26 PM) With the win, There will be games on Tuesday and Wednesday at the Cell. Yes sir.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 02:23 PM) I just saw a White Sox [i LiVe FOR THiS] playoff commercial! Yes sir In case I didn't tell you guys enough yesterday, I can not f***in wait till Tuesday.

From a selfish stand point that means no 3 way tie, meaning the games are still on tuesday and wedsneday so my thursday train ticket back to school is still ok.

QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 02:05 PM) Can we actually convert a save against Cleveland for once? Jenks is probably going to be gased as all hell. So wouldn't surprise me if he blows it. If he pitches tomorrow I will not be happy, I will in fact be pissed off.