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QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 02:19 PM) Frank's 60-day DL trip makes Gload/Anderson eligible for the post season roster though. (K-Rod loophole) Bingo.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 04:15 PM) , (Tad, Jenks, BMAC AHEM, you forgot someone that single handedly won us a game.

QUOTE(AirScott @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 03:17 PM) correct me if I'm wrong, but since rosters expand to 40, it doesn't matter how many pitchers we carry if we want Gload up here. You're absolutely correct, sorry...I was talking about playoff rosters and what we've had since the trade deadline, my apologies on not making that clear.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 03:08 PM) Graffanino and Lawton would look a lot better than Blum and Harris, or whoever the 25th man will be. Ozuna, Widger, Timo, Blum, Willie........this bench is disgusting. Replace Blum and Willie with Lawton and Graffnaino and lose 4 minor league pitchers (nopt named McCarthy) and I'd be happy. This makes my stomach turn to think how bad we are if we miss another regular. I can not believe there was nothing to be had. KW was fixated on a big move and instead made no moves. Very bad decision. How about this...Timo and Ozuna were going to be on the team no matter what because ozzie loves them, Widger has to be on the roster cause he's our backup catcher, kenny made a bid for Graff but didn't get him. Basically there are 3 guys on the bench that were going to be there no matter what, that leaves one spot open if we carry 12 pitchers which we have been doing lately. Hopefully, hopefully, hopefully for the playoffs we carry 11 pitchers and Ross Gload is the extra bat off the bench cause Ross can hit.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 03:03 PM) Ozzie busting out the real lineup. Pods, LF ... Iguchi, 2B ... Everett, DH ... PK, 1B ... Rowand, CF ... Dye, RF ... AJ, C ... Uribe, SS ... Ozuna, 3B ... Contreras, RHP. Offensively, with this group, this is the best lineup ozzie's made all year imo.

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 01:44 PM) From the :headshake files: http://www.detnews.com/2005/lions/0509/01/D05-300258.htm The word "duh" comes to mind.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 02:02 PM) Whining about the nature of this market needs to end. What Williams did last offseason should not blind any of you to the problems which exist. I don't know how to put it any clearer than this: the position we're at with this team--our record and position in the standings, was not a justification for merely acquiring Blum. And neither is indicating the lack of moves other American League teams made is a positive for us. Sox fans shouldn't be kindergarden teachers responsible for handing out stickers to young children (this instance Williams) who TWWIIIEEED, but couldn't succeed. He failed to upgrade the offense, and now because of it, it's ALL coming on him for anything less than a pitching collapse (which he couldn't have predicted) or a ALCS birth. Ask yourselves if future success is guaranteed with this club? With the resurgence of the Indians/Tigers, can anyone even guess whether or not we'll be in a position of a commanding lead for another 5 years? We can promote 6 contributing prospects with McCarthy leading the rotation and still find ourselves contending for 3rd place. 2005 could be our year--our window to take advantage of a stellar pitching staff and ride it through October. Now, I anticipate someone asking "you can't predict whether or not this team is guaranteed to win if a bat is acquired either!!!" Yes, but at this point, with our 4 automatic outs per evening, what we have doesn't convince me change (even at the slightest) wasn't absolutely necessary. I've read complaints relating to the prospects we may have had to give up. McCarthy, at this juncture, was the only untouchable. For an organization unable to produce pitching talent we need to hold onto those whch succeed. The remaining prospects can all be shipped for Raul Ibanez himself for all I care. Is Chris Young guaranteed to mimmick the outstanding production he's put together? Are Sweeney, Anderson, Owens and Young going to substitute for each other in the remaining OF position (RF)? If Young/Sweeney/Gonzalez were traded for f***ing Raul Ibanez I'd still consider it a justifiable move because the goal of baseball is to win championships. Neither of the aforementioned players have done anything to put our club in the position to strengthen itself this season. I understand the need to develop minor leaguers in order to keep a stream of cheap talent flowing. However, we're in need of help. Since no one can provide a Jeff Francouer boast we'll need help outside the organization. Even if top prospects were traded for Ibanez, and all made out to be quality major leaguers, it was worthwhile. Just think back to 2000--would any of you have overpaid for pitching if it meant trading our supposed talent? Probably not. We'd be having the same discussion. SS2k5 asked me in another thread whether or not I'd be willing to give up several starting pitchers/outfielders for slight upgrades. No, because I doubt those were the true asking prices near the deadline. I don't recall San Diego or Boston giving up an arm and a leg for Randa or Graffanino. Or Braves/New York handing over the farm for Hollandsworth/Lawton. Ultimately, our pitiful offense was in dire need of an upgrade. This was known prior to the passing of both trading deadlines. While Reds management blocked the KGJ prior to July 31, it was Williams duty to offer whatever possible to acquire Griffey. If Reds were unwilling to budge, it would have been within his best interests to move on. I intend to believe the Southtown article posted yesterday which claims money, not talent, was the true negotiating factor between the two clubs. Reinsdorf probably wouldn't budge on a set standard of contract he'd take on. No one can convince me of all the teams in this league, there was not ONE bat which could be acquired to help this club. Defend Williams now and hope this offense can win games, because if we're choking down the stretch or embarrassing ourselves in the playoffs you'll all have to repeat your Williams defense several hundred times to justify it. Brandon Mccarthy for Ron Villone is all that needs to be said here.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 12:22 PM) Didn't they make that announcement around April 2nd? I should say mathematically eliminated. Better?

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 12:05 PM) I don't see Mariotti as being a bandwagon jumper right now. I see him now as reporting the truth about what is happening to this team. He may be wrong about moves to have been made, but you can't deny a slide that has been happening since the All-Star break. Heck, right before the break we got our asses kicked. Ok, we were 17 and 10 after the allstar break before the 7 game losing streak. It's been 2 bad weeks, not months like people seem to believe for whatever reason....

QUOTE(wsox08 @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 11:48 AM) haha inflate a magic number... that would be funny.. What's the magic # on KC?? hah They've officially been eliminated from playoff contention(including the wildcard).

QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 11:53 AM) Expect a response bashing your grammar and sentence structure. And probably a few insults. I tried sending him a well written email where I didn't insult him, nothing like that, just stating some facts which I disagreed with and why, his response to me was: You're a sox fan, I'm not, get over it."

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 09:33 AM) I don't see how anyone here culd criticize Mariotti for changing his opinion on how the team will do in the playoffs based on how they are playing at the moment. Everyone does that here and we aren't two faced, trying to cover our butts. See, I have a problem with this in a way. I agree that many people changed their opinion of our team because of two bad weeks of baseball which really isn't fair to the club. It's baseball, it's 162 games and this is our first real bad stretch of the year, unfortunately it happens. I personally believe that you shouldn't change your opinion of a team that has been so good all year because of two bad weeks, but obviously that's jmo.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 09:07 AM) Oh. Come on now. Don't be so hard on yourself. Last time I ever sell you tickets.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 09:04 AM) Brandon McCarthy for Ron Villone speaksa volumns! QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 09:04 AM) All you need to know about this market is the Mariners asked for Brandon Mccarthy in exchange for Ron Villone, case closed. Asshole :headshake

All you need to know about this market is the Mariners asked for Brandon Mccarthy in exchange for Ron Villone, case closed.

By the time the playoffs come and the Sox had a great month of september we'll be Mariotti's favorite to win it all.

Time to forget August and kick ass in september.

Have a good one Tex.

QUOTE(Bullard @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 10:22 PM) Offical Call ups Sept. 1 Gload Casanova Sanders Sept. 5 Anderson Baj Thats all i know for sure PS I have an MRI Friday or Saturday. I might need tommy john. Pray for me! Thanks Bull Good luck bull, hopefully it's nothing serious

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 10:05 PM) The only reason I wont be at the game threads is because hopefully I will be at the park. But I honestly understand what your saying, and I think thats really good, just sit back and enjoy. That brings up the question: Who's going to pick me up down here to take me to the playoff games?

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 09:58 PM) This thread is magic. See, we all love each other and now the sox can win. Ok, now I'm just trying to add to the oddity that is this thread.

QUOTE(SnB @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 09:53 PM) rename this thread to: how we learned to stop worrying and love fathom LOL, it actually happened.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 09:48 PM) Im going to back Fathom up here, yes, Tony backing up Fathom (thats f***ed up). Fathom, while often putting a negative spin on things, does tend to try and look at things at the big picture, and at TIMES, AT TIMES, will give credit where credit is due. There are some here that only seem to come around when the Sox lose, or are heading on a slide, and not when they have won 3 or 4. Fathom is a good poster, and brings good discussion to this site. I do however hate him. I agree with this. Him and I have actually started to get along very well, we've disagreed on a ton of things but he backs his stuff up and for that I definitely respect him.

No reason to join guys, I already got this league won.

Good memories. Thanks for that Kalapse.