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QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 01:08 PM) Excellent points by many in this thread, I agree with Yas re: the need for a lefthanded rbi guy but the dilemna is valid ... where would you play him? The White Sox already have a very good lefthanded rbi guy in Carl Everett and it's tough enough to get him at bats. That's one reason why Gload isn't here, because Ozzie thinks Dye can play 1B once every two weeks, and that gets Everett's bat in the lineup. Everett is arguably as good a bat as you could get on the market right now, without giving up players from your 25 man roster. To me, the biggest weakness is still a pesky bat off the bench who can fill in at multiple positions and preferably add another dimension. Good call on Carl. If he was playing everday he'd drive in 100 this year imo. It'd be nice to get another left handed producer in the lineup but we don't necessarily need one, the Marlins did win in 03 without one so it's not vital.

QUOTE(upnorthsox @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 03:16 PM) This sure does setup for the Meuller trade. Not necessarily, Graff's going to be there everday 2nd baseman for now because Bellhorn's injured.

QUOTE(S720 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 05:20 AM) Kinda sad to see Shingo go. Here's an excerpt of a Suntimes article regarding the departure of Shingo. Let's see what Iguchi said: "He was a teammate to me, and he was like my older brother,'' Iguchi said through an interpreter. ''And whenever I had a problem, something I didn't know or didn't understand about being new here, Takatsu was always there to help me out. He was like my friend. ''No, there was no talk of this. I would have liked it if me and Shingo could have gotten a championship together. It was more comfortable to be here with Shingo around. It's definitely a certain feeling of lonesomeness not having him here.'' This is what I have been afraid of. I wonder how Iguchi will react to this on the field? He said it won't effect him and I doubt it does. Gooch is just a pro, he did his normal today getting scott over when he needed to. I'm sure Iguchi will miss Shingo a bit in the clubhouse but once he gets onto the field he'll be fine. I'm not worried about Tad at all.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 03:46 AM) Those stats are good, but he has struggled a little at home at Citizens a lot more than he's pitched away this season, just a factor to consider if he's going to pitch at the Cell, considering most of our pitchers have much better road ERA's than home ERA's in the past 2 years. But I'm just nit-picking. Not nit-picking those are good points. I honestly just think Wagner is such a shutdown reliever and I'd love to have the guy. Trust me that's no shot at Hermy at all and I have a ton of faith in the guy but Wags is a top 3-5 closer in baseball imo and Dustin could be the setup man which he would have no problem with, you deepen the bullpen and wow that bullpen would definitely be stacked, once again this is all jmo. Hope it happens and then we can discuss it more.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 03:41 AM) The thing is, Wagner hasn't exaclty been lights out as a closer this season, plus he's out of contract at the end of the season, and he's said he could even retire. A lot of question marks to consider if someone's going to trade for him. 2.13 era, 20 for 22 in save opps, he's been pretty dominate and he's just so damn good. I agree with your other points though, there are things to consider but if you can get Billy Wagner you have to do it, he's just to good to pass up imo, if he's available of course.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 03:36 AM) Is it just me, or would people prefer to trade for a lefty LOOGY or a good setup guy, before giving up a lot more for a closer like Billy Wagner? I'd take Wags. He's just such a dominate closer but I understand what you're sayingl. By the way we don't NEED Billy Wagner though I'd love to have him.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 10:11 PM) I don't know why, maybe it's habit, but I still look at the Twins score every night. As do I, it's a nice comfortable lead at this moment but until that magic number hits 0 nothing is done, I want that lead to continue to grow and grow and then grow some more.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 01:56 AM) He sure didn't handle pitching in NY very well. Weaver's a headcase(duh) honestly I'm shocked he never turned out to be a very good pitcher, I know I for sure thought he was going to be a special pitcher, he just didn't have it all together upstairs.

QUOTE(YahtzeeSox @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 01:06 AM) I don't do the wave but I don't see why everyone hates it so much. It's actually a pretty cool thing to see a bunch of organisms working in conjunction with each other to make a "wave" move across the stadium. Everyone hates it because you're trying to watch the game and people are jumping up in front of you.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 12:26 AM) Can someone who thinks that this is such a lopsided deal for Hendry and the Cubs tell me why exactly...? I could see one thinking it being in favor of the Cubs, but by no means is it a 'steal'. I wouldn't call it lopsided I just personally think highly of Gerut and not so highly of Dubois, that's just based on watching them play not minor league numbers.

Weaver and the Sox don't have the best relationship I doubt he comes here. Interestingly enough Gammons mentioned if someone would take Odalis's contract he'd be available, if Odalis is healthy his contract is very fair, Kenny should look into that.

I hate the f***in wave. EDIT: The wave should honestly be banned from baseball games, it's annoying as hell when you're trying to watch the game and idiots in front of you are doing the damn wave.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 10:55 PM) I'm sorry but the Sox should pray that Shingo clears waivers. This was such a f***ing stupid move. WTF! HE HAD A BAD GAME AGAINST A TEAM THAT OWNS HIM! He had been improving steadily. Jenks is not an upgrade over Shingo no matter how much you want to thinks so. Ok, Ok, we got it.

Happy bday cheat.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 10:24 PM) Shouldn't we be happy that the Indians (the team in our division) got the worst of the trade rather than the Cubs (in the other league). It's like Prior ending up on the Cubs instead of the Twins in the draft. We should be glad that we don't have to face Prior in a Twins uni. Honestly, I don't think Dubois is going to help the Indians down the road and Gerut for whatever reason had a great rookie year, had a tough sophomore year and hasn't been given a shot again.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 10:33 PM) For anyone who went to the game tonight... please, talk about Joe. I was there, and I just want others to not think that I'm overreacting. He was awesome tonight -- awesome. And I'm not even talking about what he did at the plate. He had some real tough in-between bounces, and he made 'em look easy. On the DP he turned with Iguchi, that ball was a rocket, and again -- made it look like a piece of cake. I was so impressed by Joe tonight... He makes very tough plays look routine all the time. He's an awesome 3rd baseman, period.

QUOTE(Wolverine31 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 09:07 PM) And Alan Trammell shows why he's the worst manager in the major leagues tonight. Who the heck leaves a reliever in to give up 3 homers in 1/3 of an inning when you are up three runs. I wouldn't want this clown managing my little league team. He's the reason why this team loses so many games they easily could have won.

QUOTE(robinventura23 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 09:59 PM) Am I dreaming? You're dreaming because we're 33 games over .500 not 32.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 09:52 PM) I didn't read the whole thread, anyone know why Politte closed tonight? Dustin's back has been bothering him so Ozzie probably just gave him the day off.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 09:51 PM) If he hits them that hard off the end of the bat, he's going to be a 50 home run guy some day. Is that what the replay showed? I was sitting a couple rows from the Tiger on deck circle and as soon as he hit it everyone around me knew it was gone. Ahh, yeah he actually didn't hit it flush, it wasn't a great pitch by the Duke cause it was up and over the plate but he didn't get the sweet spot of the bat on it.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 09:40 PM) Just got back. El Duque was better than he was when he went on the DL, he actually fooled a couple of guys, but he is not at a point where he can be relied on. They hit some ropes off him, including an Inge bomb the very first pitch of the game. All in all, I would say he was average tonight. Maybe he can improve, but if he went down to a tired shoulder in June, I don't see how anyone can count on him for September and October. That ball Inge hit was actually off the end of the bat and just kept going.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 09:31 PM) I didn't catch any of the game until about the 6th inning. Did he look good? He get hit hard? How was his control? Did he have to throw a lot of pitches? Any feedback would be apperciated. To be honest he looked pretty good. His fastball was the best he's had since he's been a member of the sox. His breaking balls ended over the plate a lot but they were biting. Best thing tonight though for the most part he was ahead of hitters early on if he does that he should be fine. He pitched 4 innings in his rehab start and then had a shaky 5th inning in this outing so he still needs to regain some stamina, overall he was solid tonight I thought.

QUOTE(WSoxMatt @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 09:18 PM) ... to the Cubs for Jason Dubois!!! Thats the move to get the Tribe into the playoffs This'll probably be moved but if that's true good move for the Cubs.

To be honest I don't know what to even say about this team right now. They're awesome, period.

AND THAT'S A WHITE SOX WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!1