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I believe someone said raised his hands as he couldn't get to the high fastball.

Palacios and Amaya?

That's only with a repair. A menisectomy is 3-6 weeks.

Reynolds was fired but he sued ESPN for wrongful termination because the charges were bogus. ESPN settled out of court and gave him a substantial amount of money. By all reports he's a good guy. Phillips on the other hand, not so much.

Probably true.

I agree. Some themes are constantly repeated.

I guess we'll see if it works. That will be the end game.

True. They've taken it to another level. But I also think that no organization was as far behind in facilities, technology and analytics as the Sox were. They've spent a good amount of resources on upgrading these. JR has his budget and they've worked within it. Whether it works or not who knows but that's what they are doing. To get all up in arms and offended that they have bad players on the MLB level is just ignoring the fact that they are tanking and rebuilding.

Night games in Decmeber and January suck.

Where did anyone say they were perfect? I never even said they were right. I said thos all could the case. It's not a dichotomy where everything is all wrong or everythingis always correct. There is evaluation and decision making. It's a constant process.

That's fine. You can dislike the plan but they do have a plan.

Then decided he wasn't what they wanted after working with him. Should we stay on the merry go round?

Sure does. As soon as they find ones they like, they'll give them a chance.

Not if he doesn't fit their plans of what they want in a rebuild.

I don't think anyone has actually said it because they don't want to admit it. In fact I think they said the opposite. But actions speak louder then words.

You are correct the record is what it is. The rest of it, you can think what you want to think. But if you cant see they are tanking and rebuilding, we'll its one point of view.

That's up to you if you don't want to face reality. Dress it up with all the clever quotes, its reality.

Wow, colorful.

They are doing exactly what they planned. Some people just refuse to see it.

Not necessarily. Maybe they just wanted a closer look in person to determine if they could change some flaws they noticed. Once they talked to him and worked with him a little, they determined either they couldn't correct the flaws or he wouldn't correct the flaws.

Sure, he was hurt. Even if he was, which is highly suspect, I'm sure he was in the batting cages and working on things with the instructors A mildly strained hip flexor wouldn't prevent that.

And your point is? They obviously determined that Smith and Vasil were worth keeping. They also determined that Workman was not.

I think we do have a different definition. I look at it as they can see his mechanics, abilities and other traits while working in Arizona and Charlotte to determine if he is what they want. I don't look at game play as being the only thing that can determine future success.

Or they thought it was worth a chance, then decided it wasn't. They lost nothing with giving it a shot. Being a rule 5 draftee I'm sure there are plenty of issues. Otherwise the original team would keep him.

Maybe it was the time in Arizona and Charlotte that made them realize it wasn't worth it? They saw him fir more than one game, it just wasn't at the MLB level.