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QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 10:41 PM) Corporate America deals with the challenge of dealing with millennial attitudes every day these days. Surprised we don’t read more about that as it relates to professional sports. I think you do. In the MLB more managers are being hired to manage the players not the game. With the move towards "stats managing" the managers aren't involved in the game as much. In the NFL you see the "players coach" type not the Bill Parcells type. Look at all the new hires. They are younger than some of the players.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 07:50 PM) Catchers usually get shots at being a manager and many are successful at it. I honestly believe young players could get behind his personality. He’s got fire, he’s a gamer and does whatever it takes to get an advantage and win. Plus he calls a great game and has fun. Sure, a lot of guys are punks when they’re young and he’s no exception...but what better voice for a modern day punk to find maturity. His will to win won out over everything else. He’s a perfect managerial candidate in my opinion. Can he win?! Who knows...but the guy would get a shot if he ever wanted one, I’m sure. This is true. However, throughout his career even into his 30's he showed absolutely no signs of even being polite let alone wanted to work with most people. I don't think young people would respond to his personality. The young people in our grad program want to perceive themselves as near equals to most others and want respect immediately. Which there is nothing wrong with. however, I don't think that would go over well with AJ's personality. Again, unless he has changed drastically since he retired.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 01:47 PM) AJ is a winner, a student of the game, and would be a great Manager or broadcaster. I still have severe doubts about this. But maybe his views have chaqnged

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 01:37 PM) Mark Gonzales‏ @MDGonzales 1m1 minute ago AJ looks forward to working a broadcast with Hawk, wouldn't rule out managing if asked Daryl Van Schouwen‏Verified account @CST_soxvan 5m5 minutes ago A.J. Pierzynski wants to broadcast a game with Ken Harrelson in 2018. 'We'll make it happen," he promised. Also has interest in coaching or managing one day. Chuck Garfien‏Verified account @ChuckGarfien 5m5 minutes ago AJ says he “will move heaven and Earth” to do a game with Hawk this season. Sounds like it’s going to happen. This stuns me. Never would've thought he would show any interest.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 11:36 AM) And if they don't sign the extension, they are almost certain to be traded because their current team won't want to lose them for nothing come free agency. It completely works both ways. Agreed. I just think in the current climate it's going to start leaning the other way.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 10:22 AM) We signed these players before they had the established track record that could help them get a much larger contract. These players decided it was in their best interests to guarantee their financial futures vs. rolling the dice and coming up empty. For a young pitcher the risk of injury is significant and there is no guaranty you make it to free agency. Taking the $30-40 million still ensures that you will be financially secure for the rest of your life, don't discount that. True. But most pitchers will still wait it out at get the bigger payout during arb and earlier FA. Some will do it but I don't think it will be as many in this current climate of teams being more receptive to full rebuilds. With the full rebuilds these players are so marketable to to get prospects that they are almost insuring that they will be traded.

QUOTE (The Gooch @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 10:58 AM) Maybe, but if he got called for it maybe he would have stopped. If you were getting away with it, would you stop? Fuller has played very good all season imo He hasn't shown the ability to cover guys without doing it in the past. For most of his career he hasn't shown much. Even the coaches said they weren't expecting much from him and he only started due to injuries. Who knows maybe that woke him up. I wouldn't count on him enough to give him a long term deal.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 08:42 AM) I disagree with both of you. The idea that it had no value to the player is questionable. Knowing what we know now, they should have not signed and it was a discount. Knowing what we knew then: - Sale was dominant but still very questionable on his durability. He got an immediate raise and guarantee of a certain amount in majors. - Eaton also was injury prone. And after one good year they gave him immediate raise and discounted FA years - Quintana, a pitcher out of nowhere to have a really good two years with no stuff. Same as above. For the players and clubs, they get certainty over the next 6 years or so, with the exchange of some risk. Not every player will want that, but these will still happen. There will always be a few players who will sign them for the reasons you stated. However, I think with the current climate in MLB there will be fewer.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 08:20 AM) MONDAY, 7:09am: The deal is complete, pending a physical, reports Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic. The deal will be for two years and $21MM. Morrow will earn $9MM in 2018 and 2019, with a $3MM buyout or a $12MM vesting option for the 2020 season. A little off topic but when you think about the deals, it still amazes me. I know I'm old but he is getting paid at least 6 million dollars AAV to perform for 60 times per year at most. Last year he pitched in 45 games. I know it's nothing compared to most but it is crazy if you think about the numbers.

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 11:48 AM) I would think it's the exact opposite. Throwing 6 innings is more stressful than one inning two straight days. Rodon to me seems destined for the bullpen. You're right the game volume would be better in the pen. however that isn't the real stress for the pen. it's the warming up on short notice and warming up repeatedly throughout a game but not going in. Some players transition nicely into it. However it would be taking a big chance on a pitcher who has always started and coming off surgery to adapt. they could make him a long reliever only but that would be a waste of his talent, unless he shows the surgery has dropped him to this level.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 07:50 AM) the TINSTAAPP Thing is not totally wrong. pitching prospects are more risky (mostly due to injuries though) and the writers now tend to give the pitchers a slight bump down (also in the Surplus value lists) but going all in on hitting isn't really working anymore. it worked for the cubs because as you said they could buy pitching and also got a Little lucky with Hendricks and arrieta but a lot of Teams have preferred hitting prospects in the last years which inflated the Price of pitching and dropped the value of hitters (especially the classic high on base Corner slugger). there is more Attrition with pitchers but as an acquiring Team you have to pay that Price in trades. even the cubs paid a huge Price for chapman, Quintana and other guys. ideally you would have hitting prospects but you still eventually Need the pitching and if you have to buy it it is going to be expensive. Never really has.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 03:50 AM) frazier has some contact issues but so does moncada and many other prospects. frazier still has a top30 prospect last year. I would not trade eloy or moncada for him of course but kopech and almost any other sox prospect I would probably do in a 1 for 1 trade since especially kopech and other pitchers are a really big risk too. using just ops to judge prospects also isn't a good way. Tyler White (astros dude) has produced a 900 OPS at every Level and he still rightfully never was a top100 prospect. results are important but top prospects have Tools and he has a lot of them and it isnt like he never hit at all. You never trade top pitching for just hitting. Teams always need pitching. You always need to include at least a good pitching prospect in return for top pitching.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 03:42 AM) most Windows for non big market Teams are open like 3-4 years. technically you have 6 years of control and often 6.5 when you manage Service time smartly but usually not everyone arrives or Peaks at the same time plus many Teams have to trade starts with 1 to 1.5 years left to get back some value and Keep the Thing going. to Keep a 5+ year window you either Need to make some clever extensions (like the sox did with sale), have some luck with the farm and produce good Players despite low draft picks and Talent traded to stuff holes or you have a huge payroll to extend guys. extensions like sale will be harder to get by though- at least for the top guys (guys like anderson will continue to sign them and not take their Chance) as the Players and agents have realized how bad those are for the Players. there is of course the injury risk and getting nothing but stars also have other means to make Money (advertisements...). Not the least of which is the fact that the sox traded the 3 players who gave them the "hometown" discount. What player will want to give a discount when all it really did was make them a more valuable chip for trading. By signing the deal they actually make themselves more likely to be traded. That is the opposite of signing a deal to stay with the current team.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 07:34 AM) That's how I remember it. The problem was that it was leaked early and the Marlin got ticked so Detroit had the chance to up the offer. The rumors were that Ozzie leaked it because of his close relationship with Cabrera but no one knew for sure. That's what I remember, however I am getting old and it could be an imaginary scenario.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2017 -> 09:38 PM) People keep saying this based on their gut feelings but the last time I did a round of this, it seemed like the same number of busts were showing up in the top 100 most years. Yes. Baseball will always be the toughest sport to draft. There are just too many variables because the game is actually different and the young age of the draftees.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 07:25 AM) I like seeing it, I just wish we were moving up the draft board a little bit. We clearly need WR help, badly, and probably some OL and LB. There just isnt a ton of guys you would draft top ten in those positions, outside of maybe Williams at tackle. They really need help at CB too. Fuller was mauling people yesterday and they weren't calling it. There have been games where he would have had multiple PI penalties.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 10, 2017 -> 06:56 PM) Carson Wentz might of tore his ACL. Sure looked like it from the tests they did on the field.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 10, 2017 -> 01:18 PM) Bears offense looks decent this drive too, lots of penalities though Trubiskey doesn't smile on the sidelines. i don't think he has the passion for the game.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 9, 2017 -> 12:06 PM) Older fans remember the K.C. A's being a major league "farm" team for the Yankees. (Roger Maris among a number of other guys who went on to star in New York). Now it's the Marlins. The more things change the more they stay the same. As always $$$ talks and BS walks and the Yankees always have the most money to be able to do things. Yeah. I don't where people say things are changing. The teams with the most money will always get the best players and will always have the best chance to win. Until a salary cap is put in.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 03:37 PM) While Anderson was very raw...I think Mitchell and Walker were primarily speed guys and still think that Achilles injury f***ed Mitchell...Hawkins just never came along...too raw It wasn't an Achilles. that would have been easy to fix. It was the posterior tibialis tendon. Those are really difficult to return from.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 06:23 PM) Trading away top prospects for a guy who will likely be a free agent in one year sounds as counter productive as it gets. There is zero fit for the Sox to trade for him. I think the only way a deal gets done is if he agrees to an extension.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 05:29 PM) Seems like its a stabilization fusion, which means he should be ok off of the field. At least, im hoping. He's an awesome dude. Yeah. must've had a fracture to vertebrae in his lumber spine. He should be fine health wise as they aren't reporting any paralysis but who knows. i don't think he'll be playing again. Fusion for disc injuries is one thing. This is in a different league.

QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 11:22 AM) I'm a mess. I have Lamar Miller, Ingram, and now Burkhead, but also Alfred Morris. I'm shuffling and scrambline. Down 10 heading into 2nd week of semifinal. I'm screwed. I have Miller as well. I'm hping he does well against SF with all of the other runners for Houston hurt.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 12:05 PM) Frankly, yes. The Minnesota Star Tribune had a piece on that in their op-ed page as sort of a "last straw" piece last week saying he was right on the verge of not being able to do his job in the Senate during the tax bill because he was off replying to allegations. Again this is purely based on allegations and is it fair? everyone around made it impossible for him to do his job. It has nothing to do his ability to do his job as his skills as a negotiator, deal maker or anything else. It's pure based on other people dealing with him. While all of it is accurate it doesn't mean it's right. I also know none of it will change. But it just irritates me that it's really more about maintaining the power base rather than truly convicting the people who deserve it.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 11:44 AM) This is the key part. Even if he maintains his innocence, even if an ethics committee couldn't find hard proof (and what would that even look like in this case beyond what we already know?), he had clearly lost the confidence of his colleagues. This is one of the highest profile political positions in the country, and perception and public/colleague confidence is crucial to your ability to serve. This is where I'm skeptical. Did the others really lose confidence in his ability do his job? I doubt it. They knew he was making to party look bad and wanted to distance themselves from him. This has nothing to do with his ability as a Senator and everything to do with public perception and they fact that they might lose his seat in the next election if he wasn't replaced. It's the same thing that the Republicans are doing with Moore. It's all about maintaining power, instead of truly punishing the people who are gulity.