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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 10, 2006 -> 01:44 PM) Because I do not believe that the rehab will be as effective. I have seen players do just rehab work only to revert to surgery eventually. From my own experience with herniated disks, I always felt like the rehab work was a temporary solution. It really can go either way. Depending on the extent of the injury and the activity of the client. Part of the picture people are missing is that he would still have 2-3 months of rehab after the surgery as well. Surgery is not a cure for this problem either.

The surgery they described is a microdiscectomy. If this is the procedure the disc herniation they are concerned about must not be very serious. This was a procedure made famous when Joe Montana had it done and was back on the field in less than 2 months. It sounds very encouraging...as long as Crede does the work.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 07:50 PM) Yeah, too bad Bush couldn't overcome "crooked ass, idiotic politicians of Louisiana" and lead. If the President of the United States gets sidetracked by "crooked ass, idiotic politicians of Louisiana" then he isn't much of a leader. Do you seriously believe that Reagan would have allowed "crooked ass, idiotic politicians of Louisiana" to stop him? But, taking your position then, you must give credit to the honest, intelligent politicians of New York instead of Bush for the response to 9/11. And that makes sense. I always wondered how he could have been so great at one, and sucked so bad at the other. This was a matter for the legal system. legally the Federal Government couldn't do anything until the State governemnt declared the disaster and asked for help. This is where the delay occurred. QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 11:42 PM) I think they wont be able to control themselves. They will put Conyers in a position that will allow him to move forward with articles of impeachment. He has been working on mock proceedings for years now, what in the name of god do you think he will do when he gets a chance. I am just waiting for when they start to tax the living crap out of everything. I love it how democratic strategists are on TV trying to paint Pelosi as a centrist. I have even seen some posters in Fillibuster try to do the same. If she is a centrist, Bush is a liberal. No truer words have ever been written. She is so far off the liberal deep end that the next few years are going to be an interesting dogfight, maybe even within the Dem party. On that vein of thought since up delerious and up the my vomiting son, what does everyone think of many of the elected Dem representatives being ex-military and fairly conservative. I think this could lead to dissention in the Democratic rank with the leadership being an old guard very liberal group.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 08:02 PM) No, you did not say anything about Carl, but when you imply even remotely that Jim Thome had anything to do with our decrease in speed this year compared to last year, it begs the question as to what exactly Thome did. The decrease in speed-runs this year was due overwhelmingly to 1 man, and 1 man alone: Scott Podsednik. Rowand was not a huge base stealing threat, although he got a few, and Iguchi was still here. If Scott had been able to steal at a 75-80% clip, like he should have, then whether or not Thome was in the lineup, he'd still have been running. The reason we had to start keeping him at first base was that he was getting thrown out too much and that was hurting Thome's RBIs, not that Thome was somehow keeping him from running. Basically theis type of offense stopped when Pods injured his leg in Spring Training. He couldn't run or push off with the leg all year long. The Sox made a grave error in bringing him back too soon to begin the year to try to get a WS repeat and Ozzie knew they couldn't do it without him. He wasn't healthy all year and was tentative.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Nov 6, 2006 -> 07:26 PM) If twins get mono, is it called "stereo"??? Thanks, Emo

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 03:58 PM) You were responding to a post about using him out of the pen. I understand the reluctance to use two first-time starters. A lot of uncertainty there, okay. But I think there's also a lot of plain anti-knuckler opposition, and that I don't understand. chicks dig the heat nothing else matters

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 6, 2006 -> 03:17 PM) Liriano=Kerry Wood. Lots of talent, no way to fix horrible delivery. The only way to get him to stay in the league is make him drop the slider. The twins have some holes to fill and I really hope they bring in Suppan or Weaver or someone of that nature that we can absolutely kill. You don't need to drop the slider. You just need to throw it properly. The problem usually is that the pitcher drops down to to get more slide and less drop on the pitch. This is what puts the extra stress on the elbow.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 08:47 PM) Wait, injury to Logan? Haven't heard anything about this. I personally believe Shines' firing gave the players an easy excuse to leave. Can you honestly imagine a group of 23-24 year olds telling themselves, "our manager from AAA was let go by La Guaira-- during winterball--that's bulls***! CMON, LET'S STAND TOGETHER AND FIGHT THIS INJUSTICE! YEEEAAAAHHH!!" Really, if this were the case, I don't blame them. Honestly, would any of you want to spend a significant portion of the offseason in Venezuela playing baseball? Even if it were to improve certain deficiencies within your game? I've always been under the impression winterball is rather useless. Their competition is comprised of fringe talent and other assortment of crap. At best, it helps improve a players value; at worst, their confidence is shot. Actually spending winters in the Carribean or Mexican leagues is quite fun. as long as you don't take it too seriously with the living conditions. It's usually a bunch of young guys making decent money here (rich down there) and most of the trips are a blast. It's a lot more fun than the minor leagues in the States.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 3, 2006 -> 04:34 PM) This from MLBTradeRumors.com The part about the shoulder injury expalins alot. Frequently pitcher's with shoulder problems will drop down abit to take the strain off. However, this usually adds strain to the UCL and it can go. The reverse also happens where pitcher's with chronic elbow problems raise thier arm angle and add stress to the shoulder ala Kerry Wood. Everyone has a unique pitching style and even though we may try to correct it, sometimes the pitcher has built up an area (shoulder) and when you take the stress and move it to an area where it has not been built up over time (elbow), the tissue can't handle it. Either way pitching puts a great deal of stress on the tissues and most arms can't handle it. Pitchers from eras gone by will say "we used to throw all the time and we never had these problems. " Well back then pitcher's whose arms couldn't handle it were weeded out in the minors and only the ones with the ability to handle the stress made it. In today's MLB we bring them up faster and try to correct the problems with surgery. Alot of times I think the arms just weren't meant to handle it and they weren't weeded out. Why could Nolan Ryan still throw in the mid to upper 90s in his 40s while most other can never do it. Who knows. Sorry for the rant but I had this discussion with an old time MLB pitcher the other day and he insists "we were tougher and just founbd a way to get through it." This is a good board to vent with.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 3, 2006 -> 12:01 PM) I don't think thats all that likely. He's have to make serious adjustments to get to that. I laughed last year when everyone said he'd do better than Aaron offensively. Aaron had his flaws at the plate but he's a superior offensive player to Anderson (at this point in time). Defensively Anderson was damn good but Rowand is still top notch as well and if we had Rowand he would have been out there (had he stayed healthy). I'm not saying we shouldn't have traded Rowand though, so don't put me in that category. But I laugh at all this blind optimism about Anderson. I disagree. Rowand is a 270-280 hitter with 15-20 HR per year. I think that is very attainable for BA. It was a rookie year. He'll adjust just like all players must do to be successful. BA's 2nd half ave was 257. Rowand hit about 262 for the year limited to the nose and ankle injuries. BA's defense will also be better than Rowand over the course of his career.

QUOTE(chimpy2121 @ Nov 2, 2006 -> 04:49 PM) How the hell did Hunter win again? The Gold Gloves seem like a joke. It's always a joke. Remember the year Raffy Palmiero won and played only 28 games at 1st? The rest of his games were at DH. So people wonder if a DH should be an MVP but we know they can win a GG.

It kills me to say it but this would probably be the only move they could make that would sour my loyalty to the Sox. That being said the only way KW would trade for him is to be involved in a deal with another team where the Sox would not end up with him. KW is not stupid enough to want a player like him.

QUOTE(SoxFan76 @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 11:49 AM) I'd say the chances are very high that he has 2 healthy years in a row. This is a guy who was never really injured until late in his career. I say after this off season he will be in better shape than the past 2 years, because if you ask me he wasn't fully healed even in 2006. Yet he still put up massive numbers. Just look at him run...and while Frank is far from the athlete he used to be, he should be looking better on the base paths in 07. I'm a Frank Thomas homer, I admit it. But I think he will have another great year in 2007. wherever that may be. If you watched Thomas this year you would've noticed that he wasn't healthy. He did play a full season but not at a healthy level. He still cannot run on that foot. He limped and hobbled his way through the year to get a good contract and a ring I think. If you look at his stats they show it as well. He scored only 77 runs and had only 11 doubles. Both of which are significantly lower than any season where he had 500 at bats. This tells me he couldn't run to stretch doubles and couldn't score from 2nd where he could if he could run. Thomas will always hit but his days of being able to run and do other things he should are over. I wouldn't sign him to a multi-year dwal as who knows how he will be able to handle it. That being said I'm a huge Thomas fan and can't wait to see that 500th HR no matter what uniform it's in (as long as it's not against the Sox)

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 03:09 PM) I tolerate assholes as long as they aren't doing anything illegal. For example, TO is an ass, but he's not getting rolled for DUI's or beating his wife. I disagree. I can live without the jerks. There are players you can get who are talented but good guys ie. Thome, Konerko, Dye, Buerhle, Garland. Let the jerks rot.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 26, 2006 -> 11:51 AM) Ya, but the man can hit regardless of how pissed off he is (in fact he's even better when he's pissed). He's one of those guys that no matter what is going on around him, no matter how mad everyone is at him, he'll continue to produce and producde at a top notch rate (as long as he's healthy). This is not necessarily true. He was with the Brewers as a rookie and I was working with the team. He hated the team and the city. He said it was racist and he didn't want to be there. He would field the ball (he was playing 3B at the time) look over at Tom Trebelhorn who was a great guy and the manager at the time, and throw the ball into the stands. After the inning he would ask in the dugout "when am I going to be traded". I know I've told this story here before and I'm biased against him, but I can honestly say he is one of the worst people I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with regardless if it's in pro sports or not.

He is one of the biggest jerks in pro sports. And that is an accomplishment on par with Randy Moss getting kicked out of Florida State.

QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 09:09 PM) and this happened long before Blago was in office. This is mid 90's stuff. This is the state's policy not his. I'm just ticked about the state has run the educational system. It wasn't a shot at him specifically. Also my other post about the pension didn't begin with him but he continues the practice.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 08:46 PM) The disparity in the low poverty vs high poverty districts is huge and can get really bad. The rich districts will grab up whomever they want first and then the rest get whatever's left unless (like me) per personally went for a job in a lower income area because I had more fun there. There's also the administration. If you have an administration that doesn't have your back and/or doesn't have clear ways to support the teachers (discipline, talking to parents, dealing with students etc.), then things get really bad. If you have a supportive administration (which I got) then things are really effective in dealing with issues. Kids can drive you nutty but it isn't just that -- it can give you a bad day but that's about it. Mostly, it's a lot of hours being put in before school that are unpaid (I get in an hour before the day starts to answer parent e-mails, fix up my assignment board, make my copies and overheads and do other stuff to set up) and then hours after school (grading, putting in grades to the online system, parent phone calls for detentions, talks with parents about kids' academics/behavior, sports eligibility, laminating things, making posters etc.) It's a lot of work before and after the professional hours that can get really taxing. I usually end up pulling 11-12 hr. days most weeks when my professional hours are 7:45 am to 3:15 pm. Doing that day in and day out while trying to juggle a family is probably what does it after a while -- especially when combined with the rest. It's not only this but at the university level, Blago is trying to keep professors from coming here. He just changed our benefits to do away with survivor benefits. Now who in their right mind thinks that's a good idea? Also the state is 1 billion dollars short on paying into our pension over the last 10 years. There was a law staing that in 2006 the state would need to begin to make payments into the pension fund. Blago and cronies repealed that law. Since our social security goes to the state, we won't get a pension or social security. I LUV POLITICS!!!!!

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 08:15 PM) What happened to all that lottery money that was supposed to fund education? It went to education alright, but other funding was taken away. Classic shell game. this is correct. Every dollar went into the very low general education fund while an equal number of dollars were taken out and put elsewhere. So all of the gambling money went to education but no ADDITONAL money went in from the gambling. QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 08:20 PM) Yep -- Blago is a lying sonofawhore. In the latest national report card, Illinois had the largest achievement gap between low-poverty and high-poverty students in the nation in three of four tests in reading and math. One-third of Illinois public schools failed federal academic standards, reflecting a deplorable achievement gap, leaving far too many students behind. Illinois is not keeping its teachers. High levels of teacher turnover and attrition contribute to a shortage of high quality teachers and chronic low student achievement. The national attrition rate for new teachers over a five-year period is 46 percent, and Illinois far exceeds that rate with 58 percent attrition. this again is due to the out dated sytem of funding we use. The only advantage is that it keeps the state wide policticians hands off the money. But I'm not sure the local ones are any better at it.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 11:11 AM) You mean clueless and the creep? I know more than one person who have already decided to vote for the Green Party candidate for Governor. Neither one of these candidates are worth a damn. Its a shame too, because Illinois used to be semi-progressive and innovative as states go in a lot of ways until recently. The state house is still pretty solid, but there are some monster agencies like IDOT that need a shake up so we can pay for schools. Illinois education has been falling for a decade or more. The problem with Illinois schools is the funding system. They use the taxes from the school districts to fund that school which create large descrepancies from school to school. Rich areas get better school funding poor areas get low funding. There was a survey that found Illinois was 47 or 48 in state money for schools. And we wonder why the educational system is screwed up in this state.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 11:44 AM) I just want to point out MLB is in the business of giving guaranteed contracts. Arod could not play another game because of injury yet he'd still get paid. He would only get paid a predetermined amount by the club. This is an insurance issue. It depends on what potion was covered by the Rangers when they signed him. As I recall the insurance coverage on that large contract was an issue. When a professionalathlete gets injured they get worker's comp just like anyone else. The difference is usually people get 66% of their pay from the insurance company. The owners of the teams can only get a certain amount of coverage for the large contracts which is why (as in Belle's case stated earlier) some must be paid by the team.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 01:45 AM) There was an article this morning in one of the Washington papers saying that Cora was now out of the race for the Nats job. Don't think he was ever considered one of the favorites anyway. But now putting him in as the bench coach would be an interesting proposition. Wonder how people on here feel about that (and I feel sorry for the poor guy who has to come in an replace him as the 3rd base coach, if indeed it is going to happen). I agree. Everytime someone is thrown out at home it's his fault. Everytime the runner is safe the runner was aggressive and did well. It's a no win job. It's like being an offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Oct 20, 2006 -> 01:03 PM) It's not just going to cost you McCarthy, you'll have to include more in the package. Adding Ichiro's very large salary and subtracting Brandon's non-existent salary could put the Sox in a position where they won't have any flexibility financially this offseason which is something they're going to need if they want to upgrade the team elsewhere. Plus you would be sacrificing a whole lot of youth (23 year old McCarthy) and making this team a whole lot older for a possible one year rental in Ichiro seeing how his contract is up at the end of next season. (if McCarthy is moved then the same starting 5 from last year would likely be brought back, making the Sox future incredibly old and expensive.) Expensive, yes. Old???? MB and JG are 28, FG and JV are 31 and JC is 95. 4 out 5 are ih their prime I wouldn't consider that incredibly old. However, I do agree with your overall point. We need McCarthy mostly for financial flexibility.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 19, 2006 -> 07:16 PM) I bet he will. I'm also one who usually expects youngsters to struggle early on but I think Brandon is very special(time number 3423432432 I've said that) and I expect him to be very good in 07. It's a bet. Again, nothing against him but I think with the quality of our pitchers and his inexperience, I think he will be at the end of the rotation.

^^^^^^^^^^^ This is a good synopsis of the book. However, if you really want to get the feel of how the athlete's lives were changed due to the steriods you need to read it.