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QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:51 PM) Delete? Yes

QUOTE(GASHWOUND @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:31 PM) Jeez, aren't you the manly man Not me!!!! That's why I'm not in pro sports (besides the no talent thing of course). I've just spent enough time in pro sports locker rooms dealing with these knuckleheads. For better or worse some of them just drove me nuts.

QUOTE(GASHWOUND @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:23 PM) And the point is? We're talkin within the season..What is the use of a player getting hit by a 95 MPH pitch 2 times a week or fouling a pitch off you shin 3 times a week, running into wall at 20 MPH and so on in May or June.. I guess when a player fouls a pitch off the shin this month he could say, we..at least I have 4 months off at the end of the year.. Yes, he should. Unless the bone is fractured, he should take the pain xylocaine injection to kill the pain take maybe a day off and get back out there. Short of major injury, a major league player doesn't need much time off. By the way the 4-6 month crack was only half serious.

At least Davis won't have to spend the rest of the season in the minors and the White Sox don't have to pay the rest of his salary All kidding aside, I wish him the best in the long rehab process and he picked argueably the best surgeon for it.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:05 PM) I read on another message board that someone said they saw Cubs fans pulling the bat off. Wow that is pathetic. It's just a statue of a very good player and a great human being who the jerk who took it probably never heard of. As I said, it's a sad state for some people in the world if this is what they consider fun. It must have been real early when they let the people in the park Sunday.

QUOTE(GASHWOUND @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 09:49 PM) Good article by A's closer Huston Street. Fans seem to think the players are part machine out there and when they look lethargic or maybe don't look so good they can't seem to fathom on how that player is feeling and jump all over that player. Why the heck wasn't he running out that ball??? Why the f*** does Hermy looks so flat??? and on and on. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/stor...ston&id=2096414 True, but most people don't get a 4-6 month vacation at the end of the work year.

QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 09:58 PM) http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines The White Sox confirmed that the bat from the statue of Sox great Minnie Minoso was broken over the weekend at U.S. Cellular Field. :fthecubs I noticed the bat was gone about 1 1/2 hours before the game on Sunday. I'm not sure when it happened but it's sad statement on the state of some people in this world.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 23, 2005 -> 02:57 PM) Wait, Lee says he doesn't want to be back on Chicago because he's overshadowed by Frank, Paulie, etc? But he enjoys Milwaukee because he's looked up to? EGO alert, WAKE THE f*** UP NED YOST! Enjoy trying to hit 10 run homers, El Caballo, we don't miss you. i agree. This article makes CLee sound very selfess. I wasn't the man, I didn't get the RBI opportunities.....Maybe he complained to Ozzie about this and that's why Ozzie said he should be the one to go in a trade.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 23, 2005 -> 01:18 PM) If he picks up another starter, I honestly don't think it's going to be a stud. It's going to be a 5th starter-type guy like Lilly. I agree. KW likes the team and the minor league talent. He would trade for a 5th starter type that wouldn't cost much in minor league talent. The top four in the rotation should carry us and in the playoffs we would only use 4 at the maximum anyway.

QUOTE(Jimenez4MVP @ Jun 23, 2005 -> 12:20 PM) Yes but you like others do NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS SAYING.. Um duh, I know money matters.. but what I was talking about was what we got inreturn for Lee.. I was looking at it that way, NOT talking about the money, I was talking bout what we got in return.. understand? I'm sure that if we offered to pay some of the salary of Lee's we could have gotten a better package of players. The reason we got the lesser package of players is that they had to take the salary and the fact that he could just be a one year player if they don't re-sign him to a biiger deal. The risk was on the Brewers side as far as being able to retain the player otherwise the Brewers will see nothing from the trade next year whereas we will have Spod and Viz for at least a few years.

I'm going Sunday and have not met anyone from the board. I'm game if others are willing

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 10:46 PM) Bull Durham quote: We gotta play 'em one day at a time. I'm just happy to be here and hope I can help the ballclub. I just wanta give it my best shot and, Good Lord willing, things'll work out. Let's keep it real & not get ahead of ourselves. I love the clche's and they are so true!

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jun 21, 2005 -> 10:42 AM) I've said it before & I will say it again. We did not get enough for what Carlos Lee was worth at the time. Milw was not the only team calling Kenny. There will several suitors for Lee. I don't think you realize how much you overpaid. You traded a guy coming off a career year who was clearly the MVP of a team for the NL's SB leader who was coming off a bad year at the plate & a average at best relief pitcher. The PTBNL was a joke. The Brewers had to be laughing their arses off as soon as KW consented to the deal. That had speed on the team to compensate for the loss of Pods. To them it was no big deal. Getting Lee was huge. The fact he is leading the NL in RBI is something they themselves couldn't have dreamed up. If it had to be Lee (I'm still not convinced of that) then we had better be getting 2 solid RP with Pods. In all trade talk starting from last July it was believed that a team had to be willing to give up a #2/#3 starter for Lee. If you're going to shift that focus to a SB leader then you better damn well be getting top of the line help in relief. 29 yr old RH Mike Wise 04 2.93 NPERA, .659 OOP 26 yr old RH Mike Adams 04 2.95 NPERA .666 OOP Luis Vizc 04 3.34 NPERA .724 OOP Pods+Wise+Adams for Lee is reasonable. The Bullpen could have been: Hermy, Wise, Politte, Cotts, Marte, Shingo You have the option of bringing Adams up when Shingo struggled. How many losses do we at the hands of poor pitching by Luis? At least 6. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?statsId=6291 All 1 run games & all games where Luis gave up 1 or more R. Mike Wise leads the NL in NPERA for relievers this year. Cost? $350K I don't want to hear that KW couldn't get these guys. C Lee 04 RPG 6.70, 103R, 99RBI, 310TB S Pods 04 RPG 4.34 85R, 39RBI, 233TB When it comes to trades the NUMBERS mean a whole LOT more than potential. When you make a trade you can only get what other teams are willing to give. You can think Lee is worth more but if the other team doesn't agree it's not going to happen. KW's priority was getting a leadoff hitter and decreasing salary to sign pitching. I'm sure that if another team had a leadoff hitter he wanted with better package he would have done it. There are other complicating factors, mostly Lee's salary. I'm sure the 8.5 million on a short term contract scared many other teams away. Another factor may have been Lee's attitude. If you believe Ozzie's, KW's and Buerhle's comments after the trade (assuming they all weren't just doing spin control) they wanted to get rid of him. It had nothing to do with hitting, everyone agrees his hitting stats were and are superior. But if the attitude leaked out, this also decreased his trade value. Overall KW accomplished his goal, got a leadoff hitter and a percieved good bullpen arm and decreased salaryto sign needed players. He probably could have absorbed some of Lee's salary and gotten a better package as you stated but I think KW wanted the money to sign the proven major league players.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) Who is a free agent at the end of the year... Cotts is under contract for a long while and politte has an option next year which we will be picking up. Third base is not as big of a need as a bullpen arm contrary to what many believe. I mean i really hate cruddy but he is the least of our problems at this point in my opinion. Exactly, a good bullpen can take a team a long way. Especially if our starters continue to have trouble. Keep the relievers and add to them. This is how we WILL win

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 03:51 PM) Exactly.........how long can you expect a side-armer to be useful/reliable? Name 1 who pitched well for a long-time? Dan Quisenberry, Kent Tekulve, the guy who had the record for most games pitched at one time

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jun 13, 2005 -> 04:16 PM) The most pressing need for this team is a sure-fire reliever & not a starter. Our starter's era is a 0.25 better than the Twins. Our reliever's era is nearly a full run worse than the Twins. Our pen has 3 guys having career years in Politte, Cotts, & Hermy. Will that last all season? Who knows. Nathan, Romero, & Crain instill more confidence for the Twins. The next 3 are struggling: Marte, Viz, & Shingo. Will they turn it around? Probably not all 3 of them. So we have at best a pen that is better than most but a far cry from the Twins. Guardado would be a nice addition. But if we could land two fine arms that would be best. Exactly, bullpen is a constant need. You can never have toom any good arms there. Good bullpens can determine the outcomes of seasons. Just ask the Braves all those regular season wins and bullpen implosions during the playoffs.

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My green alex fernandez jersey from when they played on St. Pat's day then autioned them for charity

This goes so fast is it an option for the chat room?

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 12:44 PM) Crede is NOT a GG 3B. Nor will he ever be a GG 3B. Crede might be the best 3B when it comes to fielding weak grounders that he can charge upon. He's good at scooping it up & firing a strike. But he is below average when it comes to a liner near the bag or in the gap. Even worse he is out of position 9 times out of 10 when it comes to receiving a throw at 3B. Some people think he's scared because he refuses to protect the bag. I just think he's stupid. When you sum it all up he's above average at best at 3B. If I were the opposing manager I would run hit & run plays & steal froms 2nd all the time. If he's not going to protect the bag then it's wide open for the opposition. Replacements: Crede is so piss-poor as a hitter right now that all other ML 3B are suitable. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/battin...in=17&ageMax=51 What I don't understand is why do we think guys who just recently signed new contracts are available? Chavez 66M/6, Lowell 32M/4. Crede is 6/61, Lowell is 8/36, Chavez is 10/50. In the minors ... http://minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/st...t=l_bat&lid=117 Trace C 31 yr old CHA .321O, .459S, .286A Slim pickings but maybe he can platoon with Ozuna while Crede figures it out in Charlotte. Crede may be stubborn and thick headed but he is not stupid. He has not played up to his abilities and probably should be replaced. Evaluating his play is one thing. Judging the man is another. Unless you know him personally stick to your beloved stats and stop with the dumb-ass judgmental comments.

I wasn't trying to start anything I was just curious about the strange event. It may very well be normal. If a mod reads this please erase the thread. I don't want to start a rumor.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 06:18 PM) We know who I'd pick, how about you? You and I were the two who said that they would send Willie down. That being said I would prefer they waive Timo.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 07:25 PM) Nah, I think they're fine, I've seen it done before this year. Ok just curious, maybe I just haven't been close enough attention

I sit in the left field bleachers and have worked innmuerable baseballgames. The starting pitcher as near as I can remember always long tosses with the starting catcher in the OF before the game. Today Garland long tossed to Man Soo Lee while AJ warmed up with Art Kuysner. Garland stood next to Art while AJ was next to Man Soo. Does anyone recall seeing this before? Is there animosity between Garland and AJ? I just don't recall seeing this before and was curious.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 08:00 PM) Closet carpet muncher. You know what I'm sayin'. Didn't the husband (Dick Sargent I think) Swing from the left side?????