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QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 11:28 AM) Sean Sears on twitter: "Source: Asking price for Chris Archer and Jose Quintana is too high for #Astros, "seems unlikely" that either will end up in Houston" I guess they're not that interested in winning it all. Oh well, their loss.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 08:26 AM) Random but I didn't know we signed this guy. He looks like he could have some potential. Looks like a glove heavy SS who could potentially develop a bat. Why not?

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:55 PM) Don't forget though, these top 100 rankings still have to be updated. Heard on the radio today that Giolito and Moncada probably drop somewhere to top 15-20. Kopech and Lopez probably move up to that same area. So the Sox could end up being more like the Yankees current rankings where they have 4 players ranked between #15-#22. Well, Moncada is no longer with the Red Sox, so that makes sense. Are people really this influenced by a ML cup of coffee at 21? If so, hopefully they can get Reed/Martes/Fisher/Tucker for Q.

QUOTE (HeGone7 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:30 PM) I think it's more about where we stand right now. If the plan was to sell everyone I get the frustration. The common feeling was the Sox needed an abundence of positional prospects. If you follow the Cubs, and now the Yankees model, it's acquire as many guys as you can offensively. Sign the pitching. So if you're a saber kind of guy and you're into the secondary statistics, you'd know that Eaton was one of our 3 biggest assets. I say that because if you're old-fashion or a mix, you may argue Abreu is the bigger name/better player. Which is fine. It'd be irrelevent to me for this conversation but it's important to note the difference since it effects how some fans value specific players. The point I'm making is many Sox fans see Eaton as one of our three elite guys to deal. If you say Sale, Q, Eaton are tier 1, and you have dealt two of them w/only 1 hitter to show for it. Yikes. This feels very risky to you in this situation because part of the reason many of us wanted a rebuild is because we don't have the elite hitters coming through. We don't have the Bryant, Scharber, Russell, Baez, etc. So the point of this firesale should've been to get as many high-end hitters you could. With two of your biggest chips gone, hard to imagine they'll accomplish this at the level they could have and needed to. The hope from here would be Q nets a package of hitters. Abreu and Frazier getting one/two would be nice. So I get the frustration "right now" but there is time left for people to come around when we have a finished product. That may take a while, too. On the flipside, there is also a reason to love what we have so I see where both sides have their gripe. It feels fair/right to point out here that the Cubs drafted more of Bryant, Schwarber, Baez, and Russell than they traded for. In fact, they drafted 3 of them and traded for one. All the more reason nailing the 2016-2018 drafts is going to be of extreme importance.

They're making Robertson look cheap.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:24 PM) Yeah, the Sox aren't going to be players in the FA market for at least another year, probably two, down the road. Two. So the 2018 class, then?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:18 PM) He even traded Kenny Williams. Bring him back! Make him do it again!

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:09 PM) Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 37s38 seconds ago #Pirates believed Tues nite were on brink of dealing McCutchen to #Nationals for Giolito and Dunning Why would PIT say no to that?

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:11 PM) Pitchers pegged as dope bullpen pitchers not the disappointment it once was. I get that, but a starter is still more valuable every time, and getting 2 TOR starters out of that deal would really kickstart things in the right direction.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:04 PM) They have blown up a team before. Go look up White Flag. I know about White Flag. I think this goes further.

QUOTE (TRU @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:10 PM) 6 years $68 Million... that's the largest contract the Chicago White Sox have ever given out They aren't signing the big time free agents, need to nail these trades and drafts.. With a team already loaded with contracts. When the payroll is $40 million in a year or two, there will be room to make a splash in free agency.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:06 PM) The Law take was that the nats foolishly messed with Giolito's mechanics; Lopez is a high end reliever; and Dunning has light mileage on his arm, has 3 pitches, and could start in the chicago by September. Lopez has started at every level, why convert him now?

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:01 PM) So the latest mlbtraderumora update on Q is that his price is too high for Atl and Houston .... http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/whit...p;post-id=79723 Whatcha got Rockies?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:51 PM) OK, one thing we should know as Sox fans is that there is zero chance of them bidding on top line free agents when we are going to be coming off of two completely terrible season. We don't do that coming off of good seasons. I don't know why this has taken traction, but look at the White Sox free agent history, and tell me why there is any answer other than no. They're doing something right now that's unprecedented under JR. Why should that be any different? You're not making a whole lot of sense today, you usually do.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:29 PM) We.Need.Postitional.Talent. I.Get.That.There.Are.At.Least.Three.Drafts.Between.Now.And.A.Competitive.Team.Not.To.Mention.The.201 8.Free.Agent.Class.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:22 PM) This is a perfect call for the type of players I would want to see us targeting. He was described as a generational talent, yet because of his age, he is WAY down the lists and rankings. But a guy like that should be a huge target. So you're criticizing the org for taking top notch value because it's not who you want, but who you want are 17 year olds that have every possible chance along the way to bust but have high ceilings because you don't trust the org to develop position players. Can you please make sense of your position? I can't.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:19 PM) Nonetheless both still top 10 MLB prospects, but I get what you're saying. I still don't think that would be a realistic ask though. You said Rodgers + 2 or 3. We're in disagreement by one body.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:52 PM) Christopher Crawford ‏@Crawford_MILB 32s32 seconds ago Giolito and Lopez are (obviously) the headliners, but Dunning was a personal favorite from last year's draft. 60 FB, 60 CH, improving SL. Yeah, he and Hansen are nice pieces to have in the lower levels

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:36 PM) Rodgers is 20 years old and had 31 doubles and 19 home runs. He is by all accounts an elite, elite prospect and would look very nice at 3B in the future for us. You didn't get 4 or 5 Moncadas for Sale, did you? Why would you get 4 or 5 Rodgers for Q? Rodgers is a top 10 prospect in all of baseball. Rodgers + 2 or 3 guys gets it done. Moncada is much further along than Rodgers. Further, I was saying 4 or 5 of his caliber "or thereabouts". I'm not talking about his draft pedigree there, I'm talking about 4 or 5 players in that A/AA range that have high ceilings.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:36 PM) Right, I hope so. I liked 14 draft too though. 14 is producing well so far. Outside of the obvious (Rodon), you have Adams, Lechich, Peter, Clark, and Robbins all doing well. Two or three of those pieces might even end up ML contributors.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:30 PM) For all the talk aobut how the white sox current team was great at pitching, it really was paper thin. Our minors could not find us a competent 4 or 5, and was not even filling warm bodies into our bullpen (they were COLD bodies). We needed depth all over. I had completely become empty with this org. no money to substantially improve. Now I can see how we can improve, and we will once again have the money to make the jump in the next one. Honestly, for as crappy as we have been last few years, you learn how much drafts can be. Had we selected Corey Seager instead of Hawkins in 2012, we would not be selling. We'd have the following: Melky-Anderson-Eaton outfield Frazier-Seager-Saladino-Abreu Chris Carter DH Weiters? C That may be enough to get to playoffs. So we need to freakin hit on EVERYTHING from now on. I liked the 2016 draft, especially from position player standpoint. The Sox targeted baseball players who know how to get on base, and it paid off, as Collins, Call, and Fisher all look to be decent prospects or better, and Schnurbusch might be a welcome out of nowhere surprise. Hopefully this strategy continues in the draft.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:13 PM) If you get Rodgers/Hoffman, doubt you get much more on tail. Rodgers had an .821 OPS in A ball. I like that he's only 20 and looks ready for AA, but we're talking about Jose Quintana here. You should be getting 4 or 5 players of Rodgers quality or thereabouts for him.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:12 PM) I would think Rodgers is an untouchable for the Rockies. Why? He's so far away from the bigs. I would want a lot more from Colorado if he's the top guy they offer.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:39 PM) No, I'd rather them learn their f***ing lesson versus doing the same damn crap that just failed. It isn't about the BA top 25. It is about the entire roster. They are too stupid to learn that lesson apparently. You keep complaining about this, but the bottom line is no championship caliber team has ever been built JUST through a rebuild or JUST by drafting well or JUST by making good trades and getting good value for your players or JUST through free agency. It takes a combination of all of it to get the job done. So they don't get the hitters now? Okay, draft hitters. Buy hitters. When you're done with the rebuild process, take some of the surplus value you've built on your farm and trade for hitters. We know that JR is much more likely to pony up for a hitter than a pitcher, and you laughed earlier when I said get Harper and Machado, but he signed Belle to the biggest contract at the time and he tried to sign ARod to the biggest contract at that time. It just doesn't make sense that you're so dead set on getting hitters rather than seeing that the Sox are actually doing it the right way for once. They're rebuilding, they need to get the most value they can, position be damned. They got 2 guys who could be TOR starters for Eaton, and all of MLB thinks Rizzo got fleeced. I even understand your position to an extent, the Sox don't have the best track record developing position players (though Semien and Anderson recently provide good counterexamples to that), but value is more important right now. There was no way the Sox would've gotten better value for Eaton than what the Nats gave up. I think you're rushing to judgement here instead of giving the whole thing time to play out.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:30 PM) I think the Sale deal is done very soon. Like by midnight soon. You're a bit late.