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QUOTE (raBBit @ Aug 30, 2016 -> 04:25 PM) As someone who owns Fulmer on most of my fantasy teams (I know no one cares), I find it hard to see ROY go to anyone else. This guy has been nails. Thread hijack, it pisses me off seeing how well the Tigers did at the last deadline when they actually sold off on their assets. Something KW will never do. Tigers traded Cespedes, Price and Soria. They got Fulmer, Norris, Boyd, Jairo Labourt, Luis Cessa and Jacoby Jones. That's 3/5 of their rotation, a top ten prospect, a top twenty prospect and a prospect who has traded for Justin Wilson. That's for three expiring contracts (albeit three good ones). So what you're saying is Sale and Quintana should net a whole playoff team and a few top prospects.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 30, 2016 -> 12:12 PM) This may fail miserably, but here goes. I think the next time you hear an athlete 1) answer a question by cleverly not answering, immediately followed by 2) throwing out a droll sports cliche, this should be called a Rick-Robin. Like being rick-rolled, except the media is being rick-robinned. I'm bored, sue me. Wouldn't "Robin-rolled" be more appropriate?

Impressive that Anderson is at 1.4 WAR in about 40% of a season, projects out to roughly 3.5-4 WAR over a full season. Looks like he has 3-5 WAR potential.

So, I noticed some things I thought I'd share. The first is that Abreu prior to 2016 had roughly a career .340 BABIP. For the first half of 2016, his BABIP was .314, nearly 30 points below his career mark to that point. Thus far in the second half of 2016, he has a much closer to career norm .343 BABIP, which suggests to me that the .319 AVG, .897 OPS, .200 ISO, 142 wRC+ Jose Abreu that has been hitting on the second half of this season is more likely the hitter we should expect long term.

http://mlb.mlb.com/r/article?ymd=20160823&...ws&c_id=cws At the end of the article, the wording is confusing. Is Collins or Hansen going to the Arizona Fall League? Only one can go, right?

Anyone have any predictions for who the White Sox will send? Also, when will rosters be announced?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 12, 2016 -> 06:21 AM) So if the Sox trade Harambe's apple pies for Albert Einstein, we get two Mike Trouts? That would never work, you can't have 2 CFs. Where would you play the second Trout?

What's Eddie DeBartolo doing these days?

QUOTE (harkness @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 10:58 PM) Well Robertson leads MLB in blown saves the past two years... so I think there is some connection perhaps. Then say that. Robertson isn't the only pitcher with a blown save in tonight's game.

Why can't I stay logged in on my Android device? I click the remember me button when I log in, it just doesn't work.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 09:38 PM) Rodon hasn't exactly been close to what we thought he would be and probably could have used more time in the minors. Serious, honest question: do you think he would've gotten rid of his mechanical flaw in AAA over the past two years? Also, I don't think Rodon has been bad for a 23 year old, and is not like you can't see his immense potential when he pitches.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 09:29 PM) http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/...nded/order/true Leading the majors in blown saves...not just AL. What does that have to do with Robertson?

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 05:35 AM) You are 100% correct.They cannot keep patching up holes on this roster with overpriced free agents or shall we say-- bargain shop for B and C level free agents out to prove something. And can the White Sox afford to give up any more prospects via trade? This farm system is so thin it's scary. Have you seen the 2016 draft class? They should cure the ails in that department.

They're so aggressive with promotions...why is Hansen still in Great Falls? What more can he possibly prove/learn there?

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 08:00 PM) What's Cespedes gonna get? 3/90, 4/120? I don't see the Sox going there. The question is what CAN be done, not what WILL be done. Of course the Sox won't pony up for Cespedes or Ramos, but the thread title is "Construct a 'Going For It' 2017 Roster", nowhere does it specify that they have to be moves the team is actually capable of/likely to make. I don't think that roster is possible to construct.

As I said in the other thread, sign Cespedes, sign Ramos, resign Morneau. I think they'll go after Puig, so maybe not resign Morneau. Regardless, the other two are must signs if the Sox want to compete in 2017.

QUOTE (almagest @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 03:55 PM) http://www.pitcherlist.com/blog/gif-breakd...t-in-13-hd-gifs Talks about his ability to be dominating even though his control is pretty bad. Harnessing it could mean another very scary pitcher in our rotation. Looks about right. He could be the best pitcher in baseball if he can get rid of that "head thwack" mechanical flaw that is clearly on display in the bad pitch GIFs. That was his issue coming out of college, and, though he's improved a lot, it doesn't seem to be completely fixed. ETA: That last GIF displays just how filthy Rodon's slider can be. On 3 straight pitches, it looks like an 86 MPH cutter, an 87 MPH slider, and a 90 MPH curveball.

How COULD they do it? Sign Cespedes, sign Ramos, resign Morneau, and desperately hope for a bounceback year from Shields. With Shields pitching like a 3, Gonzalez pitching like a 4 (which he has this year), and those additions to the offense, that's probably at least a WC team, even if Rodon doesn't take a step forward. That said, there's about a 0% chance the Sox do that.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 11:01 AM) Buster Posey baby, Buster Posey. Better yet, best catcher of all time...Zack Collins. I like the ring of that. He'll need to vastly improve his defense and slightly improve his bat for that to be a reality.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 08:16 AM) Just curious as to everyone's thoughts. After last night's 4 hit performance, in 70 at-bats Morneau is hitting .300 with 3 homeruns, 9 RBI, OPS of .851 While 70 ABs is a small sample size, I think that Morneau has proven that he is still capable of hitting well at the professional level. The power may not be there, but he is still finding holes and putting the bat on the ball which is waaay more than any other recent Sox DH has done. Should the Sox strongly consider offering him a contract for the DH position next season? He does solve a hole in the lineup...good left-handed bat and a DH (2 birds one stone). If so, would a 2 year deal be too much? He's 35, turns 36 in May 2017. I don't think so...not a big fan of these 1-year rentals and it's not like Morneau is 38, but maybe they need to see how he hits the rest of the season. His current HR pace would give him 26 HRs over 600 ABs, so call him a 25-30 HR bat while hitting .300 with an OPS right at .850. If he can keep up that pace for the rest of the year, and he's willing to take, say, 2/$10, why not? That's a bat you want in your lineup.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 12:59 PM) The idea of trading both Sale and Quintana seems very unrealistic. That not only suggests a total rebuild, which is not the White Sox way, but the task of building a formidable staff, with both of them gone, would be Herculean. A staff led by Quintana, as the Ace, Rodon as a #2 and Fulmer, with another youngster and a veteran, would be feasible. Of course, there is no guarantee, but it's doable. Without Sale and Q, they would need to rebuild the whole staff. Even a rebuild requires a core, and without either Sale and Quintana, what would be the core of the pitching staff? Doesn't it make more sense to trade one of the two, aa well as other veterans, such as Frazier, Melky and Robertson, in order to acquire the other pieces for a rebuild? The answer is your core comes from a combination of the trades and the rebuild of the system internally. For example, if the White Sox traded Sale to LA and Q to BOS and in those deals got Urias, De Leon, Pederson, Verdugo, Moancada and Benintendi among others, those guys would be part of the core moving forward. Rodon and Anderson would certainly be part of the core, as would Eaton if not moved, though I would move everyone on the MLB roster for whom I got a good offer if I'm trading Sale and Q, Fulmer and Collins would likely be considered strong candidates to become part of the core, as would the high draft picks the team would have over the next few seasons. In short, the answer is trading both means going into full rebuild mode.

If the White Sox do decide to sell, it is a golden opportunity because they will have the two most valuable assets on the trade market in Sale and Q. The Dodgers are saying they'd move Urias in a Sale deal, he's a nice starting point, something that includes De Leon, Pederson, and 3 more quality prospects sounds good. Then get Moancada, Benintendi and 3-4 more quality prospects for Quintana. Then sell the other MLB parts for interesting players/prospects, and hope for about a 60% hit rate and you have a very competitive team by 2018 or 2019.

If they're looking to add, they should be targeting Lucroy. If they're looking to sell, they should be auctioning everyone off to the highest bidder and be Astros bad for a couple seasons and allow themselves to bust caps in the draft and July 2 signings to cultivate a lot of young talent to put together a long sustained run of success. There isn't much gain to be had in doing nothing, but it seems the most likely course for White Sox brass to take.

Why is this presented as an either/or question? If you're going to blow it up, BLOW IT UP. In today's market, it seems like every team is trying to simultaneously compete and develop a strong minor league system thanks to the two wild card system, but if the White Sox are truly tired of being "mired in mediocrity" as Hahn put it, then they need to pick a direction and stick with it. That means if they plan to sell everything off, they need to sell everything off. They did this in 2013, but that team was so bad that "everything" didn't consist of much, and still wound up yielding most of the talent the team has today. So, if they're going to rebuild, they need to do it right this time. Trade Sale, Q, Shields, Gonzalez, Abreu, Lawrie, Frazier, Cabrera, Eaton, Robertson, Jones, even Jackson, Avila, and Navarro if you can get anything for them. Bring the Charlotte Knights to MLB, get several high draft picks in a row, and leverage all the talent you get from trades and the draft into a competitive team realistically by 2019. It gives Anderson and Rodon all the time they need to get seasoned and be the leaders of the team, gives the team time to determine if Fulmer can start and Collins can catch, and gives the team a HUGE budget for the draft and LatAm signings. If most things broke right, this strategy would lead to a short term and long term competitive team by the goal date.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 01:10 AM) If any team wants Lucroy badly the Sox have zero chance of getting him. And given how he's probably one of the top 3 guys on the market and he plays a premium position he is a likely overpay for a team with a stacked system. The SP market is considered fairly barren at the moment, but one of the best pitchers on the market just moved for someone that is put in the same value range as Carson Fulmer. Given that, if the White Sox strike quickly, they may be able to make the deal before some prospect rich team gets desperate. QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 02:37 AM) So will this be the NL bat that will finally work for the Sox? Dunn, LaRoche, Frazier....career NL bats.....is there a pattern here? The pattern is that the White Sox pursue and overpay for power bats and ignore the mediocre average and high strikeout rates, only to have those things bite then in the ass. Lucroy is not that type of bat, and it seems dumb to eliminate half the players in the league from trade consideration just because they're in the NL. QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 03:29 AM) No come on please you just didn't say the E word did you? Who the hell passes up free agency unless they are tied to an organization since birth? Lucroy wouldn't have any such loyalty to the Sox and they certainly wouldn't try to extend a catcher into his late 30's. The Sox have never had a contract over what Abreu got and that was because he was 27 when they got him. There are those who say Sox management is cheap and that's true to some extent because being cheap is smart business money wise but in the MLB dumb contracts are the norm,trading good years for bad years at the end of the contract. Signing a catcher, a highly physically demanding position, to such a contract and getting nothing but reclining years is out of the question for the Sox. But someone will do it. That's a fair counterpoint, but what are the options for this team? If they don't either catch fire like they did in April or make some difficult decisions to compete, they might as well just sell everything off like many on here have suggested. I'd rather see the White Sox trade from a position of strength to turn a weakness into a strength and hopefully turn a middle of the pack team into a much more formidable contender. Yes, you only get two years guaranteed out of him, but the White Sox are going to have to make a lot of hard decisions in 2017 as it stands. Either they're going to tear everything down at that point, or they're going to spend a lot of money to extend their competitive window.