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QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 01:43 PM) Yankees say no I'm just catching up on this thread, did someone really suggest Kopech? Come on man.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 01:18 PM) When the new top 100 rankings come out sometime in January I fully expect Hansen to take a pretty significant leap. The stuff is there and the control is improving. Frazier is overrated, and unless he's a plus defensive center fielder I don't think the bat will stick at a corner. Power potential is great, but only if you make enough contact to use it. Fangraphs was really down on his 2017 performance, rating him below replacement level offsensively, and -5.8 defensively...which is cause for concern. Buyer beware. Rutherford for Frazier, who says no!

Just :djuhohgif: at the Mariners.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 06:35 PM) The same could have been said for Abreu last year. Hitters hit. until they don't?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 04:49 PM) If we are talking something in the 75 to 90 million range, I would. I'd think he'd ask for at least 5 years 90 million. At least.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 04:31 PM) Why would he want to sign onto that deal? His advisors would basically say “Jose, the risk you avoid by signing this is absolutely minimal. There is very little upside to you signing a 4 year extension at the juncture.” He’s basically saying he’s concerned he won’t be able to sign a two year deal when his contract with us runs out? well said unless he just absolutely loves the Sox and ignors his agent's good advice there's no way he's signing a 4 year extension. That would not be in his long term financial interests.

I really don't think the options are "trade him now or sign him now". I think this might be a good time to wait on more data. More data about the 2018 club and more data on how Jose is going to age. Of course, if you get bowled over in an offer do the deal. Steven89 makes a good point: I think Jose wants his next deal to be his last. I don't think he's going to settle for a 5 year extension. I'm thinking he wants at least 6 and probably some vesting and mutual options as well. Maybe even a damn opt out. There's a lot of moving parts here. Hopefully Hahn can figure it out.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 09:29 PM) Mariners and Angels both make trades. M's are at $2.55 mill and Angels at $2.315m. ha, this is such a farce really. Clubs should be forced to pay much more for him.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 05:53 PM) Risk? For the amount of money we are talking about the word risk really doesn't apply. Top end we are talking about $3 million, plus the $20 million posting fee. They have zero contractual obligation or dollar lock in to him past that. For perspective sake, we are talking about half of the total outlay of what we spent on a Luis Robert who is four years younger, with much larger questions. Yea bad word choice. I meant the risk in the hypothetical trades that were all over twitter last night. My bad.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 05:30 PM) Jeff Zimmerman‏ @jeffwzimmerman 4h4 hours ago On Shohei Ohtani, @jimcallisMLB reports grades of "80 raw power, 65 speed, 80 arm, [and] 50 hit," in a @mike_petriello article: http://m.mlb.com/news/article/262918098/shohei-ohtani-tracking-data-backs-up-hype/ …://http://m.mlb.com/news/article/26291...acks-up-hype/ …://http://m.mlb.com/news/article/26291...acks-up-hype/ … People on twitter last night were saying Eloy and Kopech straight up for him might not even get the job done. I think he's a bigger risk than people are acknowledging. The culture shock element can't be ignored imo. Ichiro had a singular focus and a great, winning personality in addition to his talents, we'll see if Ohtani is similar.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 04:32 PM) Really hoping Seattle gets him since i might be living there in a year You got a good job come on down. If you don't, well, it can be tough. I moved here about six years ago on a whim from NYC and I've been shocked at how quickly the cost of living has matched and in some cases exceeded NYC. That said, if you're into nature and making a decent living this place is heaven. I couldn't imagine living anywhere else at the moment. You got mountains everywhere you look, the Puget Sound, and the ocean and rain forest out on the peninsula all 30 minutes to 3 hours away.

Well there are a bunch of insanely expensive or mediocre dh/1b types available. Sullivan over at FG said he thinks Abreu has more trade value than Stanton, given Stantons contract and the all important opt out.

The Sox now project to have the #11 catching combo next year. Not bad, position will probably be an asset instead of a weakness for once.

Get hyped.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 2, 2017 -> 07:15 PM) But those idiots kept Sanchez! The outrage! The stupidity! yolmer sanchez? Yolmer sanchez is quite possibly a 24 year old 2-3 WAR 3B that can play a solid SS and an excellent 2B as well. That dude would probably be worth a B prospect in a trade. So, I guess the joke falls flat? Now why they are keeping someone like May around is anybody's guess.

Mariners dropped smyly, cooper will fix him signing? Won't cost much and would be better than bringing in a Pelfrey type.

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 04:05 PM) good to hear about Renteria Renteria is an asset to the org in every way. His awful in game managing drives the tank and his great man management and ties to the latin players makes the Sox a good club to play for. I wouldn't mind if he's the manager on the next playoff squad, but he's gotta stop bunting so damn much.

Cool, reasonable deal, reasonable player and will certainly help the young staff. The team option is a nice little cherry on top. Gives the Sox a lot of options come 2020.

And this ballgame is...ovah! 17-1, damn.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 04:14 PM) I would not feel comfortable signing Abreu to a 5/100 extension right now, especially with him being on the wrong side of 30. He's a quality player, but why pay full retail now? The Sox are in a position where they absolutely should have a high asking price for him because it is only a two year guaranteed contract. Something around a 4 year/70 million deal with a 5th year team option could be doable. There's just not much incentive to pay more than that for him though. Sox are playing this the right way, listening in on Avi/Abreu but holding a high price. Putting 20 million yearly on the payroll until 2022 doesn't make a lick of sense. It makes zero sense considering the Sox already control Abreu for two of those five years. It makes negative sense when you consider he's already on the wrong side of 30. I think two things are true right now: 1) Jose Abreu's value is as high as it's ever going to be trade wise right now, this offseason 2) That isn't a reason to trade him in itself There's no rush. The Sox are going to have a helluva lot more info about their contention window next offseason. If Jose is on the club and is coming off something like a 290/350/550 year and the club is primed to contend in 2019 and there's payroll available then sign him then. Marginal wins are more important then. Jose Abreu's value to the Sox will be more relative to what it is now.

QUOTE (Tony @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 12:28 AM) If the Sox can't find a taker for Garcia this offseason, they think the value is too low, I don't want them signing him to an extension just because his value is too low on the trade market. I, like many others, aren't sold on who the real Avi is. I would think by July of 2018, we'll have a much better idea. If the Sox want to make a decision on the future of Avi then, I'm all for it, and I would actually prefer it than this offseason. You're trading an unknown commodity right now. Problem with Avi is that (imo) he's a player that is completey reliant on physical tools and in a bad way. He's a stiff athlete but he's great in straight lines. What happens at 29 when he loses that tick on his speed and explosion? His offensive value is entirely based on his running and BA. Both of those things are going to start declining way before skills like raw power and batting eye. He's fools gold IMO and I have been one of his biggest fans and advocates here since he was acquired. I am thrilled for Avi that he had a great year but he is the quintessential sell high candidate.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 12:06 AM) Name a team that has won a pennant dominantly through Free Agency. Literally the last one I've got is the 09 Yankees. That doesn't mean teams don't get some free agents, but literally everyone is using a path different from what you said. No team can make the method work that you keep saying we shoudl do. And if you would have read the post in the Avi thread only 2 or 3 posts before you talked about how "they should sign good free agents instead of bad ones", even the teams that are winning - they have free agent busts. How about your Royals, they have a pennant right? Wouldn't they prefer to no longer have Alex Gordon's contract on the books? The Cubs and that Heyward deal? If you sign 3 free agents, the odds are one of them will be a LaRoche level bust. That's how the Free Agency market works. I mean even the f***ing Yankees realized you can't buy a winner primary through FA anymore. There's a reason Sale and Quintana brought what they brought. Pre FA studs are the most valuable commodity in baseball and you only get them prospect mining.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:57 PM) This is exactly what we should ask for. Sox have all the leverage here. I like it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 06:44 PM) So why are you so insistent on the strategy of "Compete and win as much as you can" that we used from 2006-2016? No kidding. They've earned some patience by acing the first 18 months of the rebuild. There's no grade other than "A" that you could give last year. Hell, maybe give it an A- because they only managed to acquire the 4rd pick. Yea the coursework gets exponentially harder after 2018 (gotta actually start winning not acquiring prospects) but there's almost nothing to critique them on so far and we went over this in the season in review thread and rate the rebuild.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 09:02 PM) Literally yes it is. If you get to 2nd base, that is a move that increases your chance to score a run. If you are thrown out, that removes your chance to score a run. For you to be a good baserunner, you have to get to 2nd base enough times successfully that it overwhelms any reduction in the runs lost due to the times you get thrown out. If he makes it there it was a correct decision, if he gets thrown out it was a wrong decision. That is how you assess this on a statistical basis - does the 5 times he gets to 2nd base mean that he generates more runs than what is cost the 2 times he gets thrown out. ptac is way too smart to be arguing this point. It's all based on base runs and linear weights and run expectancy. Gotta read some tangotiger.