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That's where I'm at. This was a once in a generation chance to jumpstart this rebuild and almost guarantee its success by adding a 5 WAR player in his prime. That moves the needle big time. And they completely passed up this chance because of cheapness and the downside risk, which was minimal by any sane analysis. Fuck this club.

you were one of the most adamant posters questioning the rebuild so if anything you've earned a "told you so" or two. That said, predicting the White Sox to fail isn't exactly 4D chess.

It would be nice if the mouthpieces of the org stopped doing interviews explaining that what is essentially cheapness cost them in FA. That would help. Instead they just keep ripping open the wound and pouring salt on it.

at least when the real games start in a couple weeks we can b**** about IN GAME bullshit instead of all the meta bullshit from the offseason. Same pile, but new shit!

hahn is a mediocre GM at best that has been given a lifetime contract by JR. Remember when we used to hear rumors of him interviewing for other jobs in the offseason? Well those offers dried up as soon as he was exposed as nothing more than a contract guy. He can negotiate a good deal. His overall GM acumen is lacking.

I read that he basically said the Sox will never sign an elite FA because they don't want to commit past a certain age, is that a correct interpretation?

I always argue guys are fragile until they're not. He's had some bad luck IMO, although at the same time he's certainly earned the "injury prone" label for now.

Welcome, post more, this is spot on. The White Sox have a hard on for shitty players that are incredible one dimensional. Unless he's Willie Mays in the OF you can't carry a 60 OPS+ regular.

No kidding. Why is Engel being handed the starting CF job three years running?

I had blocked out that they moved Moncada to 3B and were serious about it. Meanwhile Engel is your opening day CF for the 3rd horse shit year in a row. Fuck this franchise man. Hey maybe by the time he's 30 he'll produce an OPS+ over 80!

I hope you're right. Lucy has pulled the football a few too times on us lately.

we're going to look back with nostalgia at the time we thought missing manny was "rock bottom"...

I love that Deadspin (of all places) has a huge Sox fan on staff that shits on the Sox every chance he can. It's one of the few relevant national media places that has a Sox fan on staff and they use it to troll the club at every turn. Why not, they deserve it. White Sox Send Good Player to Minor Leagues

Where we ever in on that guy?

Remember when IDing pitchers and keeping them healthy was a strength?

So, to actually respond to the topic: this doesn't make any sense financially. Sox would be taking on way too much risk for a guy that although on a "star path" isn't a star yet and may not ever be one. Why in the world would they commit 100 million to a guy to get what, two more years of control? Doesn't seem like a smart bet IMO. Now, if they wanted to revisit this after he puts up a big rookie campaign and sweeten it with 50+ million on top of the 100 million I'm fine with that because Eloy would have proven he can hit MLB pitching and would be due some big raises in ARB after his first few seasons. On a side note, I can't fucking believe people are freaking out about his 26 spring training AB. You serious? You're serious? Spring training is WORTHLESS. How many fucking times do we have to go over this?

Still don't think it's easy. I'd like to see a larger sample before any drastic, game altering changes are made. If in 5 years the game is now 80% TTO then fine, make some fucking changes. We ain't there yet and things in baseball have a way of levelling off without rules changes historically -- granted with fairly high water marks for various styles.

I haven't even gotten the bounce. I'll probably get it opening day tho. I feel badly for Fegan. I know he's getting paid but man, what a depressing team to cover outside Eloy.

Kinda hard to believe the season starts for real in a few weeks. I almost felt like the season was cancelled after the Manny news but I guess they have to play 162 games anyways. How many any of us will watch however...

ever try to consistently get a bunt down on a guy throwing 95 inside? If it was easy, they'd have already made the adjustment. For a right handed batter a drag bunt down the 3rd base line is one of the hardest things to execute in baseball. Lefties have it a bit easier but still not easy. I think many of these rules changes are fucking stupid honestly. Moving the mound is a NON STARTER. It's like moving the height of the basketball hoop. You can't do it. I don't even know why they are making these Indy leaguers do it. The only change I like is having a robo ump and maybe the three batter limit. Again, banning where guys can stand defensively? That just doesn't make any sense man. It's against the spirit of the game as it's been played for over 100 years now.

If none of the prospects acquired in the Eaton, Sale and Q trades shows out at the MLB level this year then it's not a "rebuild" it's just an incredibly awful club with no future, no present, and very little past. By not committing any money to Manny the club has doubled down on their existing management, major and minor league talent, and overall organizational position within MLB. This is a bottom tier franchise (bottom 5 easily at the moment) with an uncertain future. It's hard for us fans to keep caring and supporting them given that no, this is not "rock bottom" -- rock bottom would be starting over in 2022 after the failure of the rebuild. There is not enough evidence lately to say that things will get better. They can easily get worse.

That about covers it. I think SSS is done, whatever remains will just be a corpse, anybody halfway good enough to dig it out doesn't want to work with Vox.

it's an incredibly rare trait in a slugger to not get pull happy on pitches like that and really what allowed frank (and hopefully eloy) to hit for such a high average with power. the pitch recognition and plate awareness and hand eye and raw power of Eloy is very, very similar to Frank. Not the same batting eye, few except an elite inner circle of HOFers had Frank's eye, but Eloy can hit for more power given the emphasis on launch angle these days. If Eloy doesn't have at least one 300/600 season I'd be shocked. He'll have an iso of .300 and a BA of .300 in his career at least once. In fact I'd put the over under at 3 of them.

thought the same. you don't see many guys that can flick a middle out breaking ball into the stands when they let it get in on them like that. it was a shitty breaking ball but still, impressive raw power and coordination/approach.

well that's true but he's a Mariner now! They have about the same level of MLB development through the last decade as our Sox. Ackley, Zunino, and so on. They get credit for Seger I guess but he kinda sucks now as well. Got old quick.