Balta1701

Clase is tied for the league lead in appearances out of the bullpen and he's on pace for about 75 or 76 appearances. That's high but not totally insane. Their next 4 to 5 guys all have appearances and innings in the 50s. It seems like they're doing a good job of keeping those guys healthy and I'm not sure I'd write off anything in their pen as unsustainable given that they've done it all year. An injury out of those guys could certainly happen but that bullpen looks fairly deep on the statistics.

https://www.southsidesox.com/platform/amp/2018/3/21/17127800/the-10-best-individual-seasons-in-white-sox-history-ed-walsh-wilbur-wood-dick-allen-minnie-minoso Wilbur Wood, Ed Walsh, Eddie Cicotte all put up roughly 8-10 WAR seasons at some point with several by Walsh.

As much as anything that came down to the Sox pitching staff being exhausted. Sale was in the bullpen in 2011 and Quintana was in A ball, so multiple key guys hit a wall. Is Cleveland in that spot any time soon?

I think solid chance it does. Graveman isn’t in a grave is he?

I don’t think any team sees Eloy as acceptable on defense any more, they can all see the injuries (remember the series where Cleveland turned every ball hit to LF into a double?) and Eloy is really bloody expensive soon. His option years are nearly $20 million. There is a very good chance those aren’t picked up, just takes one more injury:

I think you get substantially more for Vaughn than Eloy.

They can’t play Eloy in LF unless they have another starting LF for 100 games. Even they seem to have figured this out.

I will be the first to admit that I don’t have an answer to this given the White Sox’s payroll. My guess is they have a maximum of $25 million to spend and possibly less. Trading Vaughn for Woodruff leaves probably about $15 million max to find a LF and I’m pretty sure that doesn’t get Nimmo.

No, it won’t. None of those 3 can play LF.

I would call keeping Vaughn, Sheets, and Eloy on the active roster to be doubling down on stupidity as that’s the thing we know doesn’t work. That sends one of them into the OF.

Honestly, none of those things are the top priority for ‘23. Right now Davis Martin is their 2023 fifth starter and as far as I can tell their 6th starter is Mr. offday. With everyone other than Cease having some issue this year, they need a starter and it shouldn’t be a cheap back of the rotation guy. Bare minimum of bringing Cueto back is probably a $10 million signing, and unless they have a deep playoff run that is probably half or more of what they have to spend if they go that route. I could see this being the time to trade Vaughn and clear out the DH logjam if it brings back a starter.

Cutting him early in year 2 of his deal is I believe what happened to Keppinger.

Eh it's 5 games in the loss column counting the tiebreaker. Seems important to note that somewhere.

Having seen how many guys, Lynn, Kelly, Robert all come back too early from injuries this year/not get enough rehab work after injuries this year, I would like to express skepticism that one week of ramping up baseball activity is enough to get into gear for the last 2 weeks of a pennant race.

Lynn against the Guardians this year: July 11: 4 IP, 8 ER July 23 (DH): 6 IP, 0 ER, 3 hits, 6 Ks August 19: 5.2 IP, 1 ER, 5 hits, 1 BB, 1 HBP, 6 Ks.

LOL no one is taking on a cent of Leury's money in a trade unless you give up a solid prospect with him. He's a DFA candidate if there ever was one.

The "5 weeks later" the forum added to this thread is helpful when judging whether they were accurate about this being a 4-6 week injury.

A 5 game comeback this fast against division rivals is going to be tough. That's the kind of thing that could leave your roster just plain worn out.

Oh totally, I just wouldn't describe that as situational hitting. And the awful defense and disappointing pitching each would also show up in "main reasons this team dug a hole" as well, to at least a comparable level as the offense.

So Lovie Smith had a team with a solid 4th quarter lead, had a 3rd down and 1 or 2 where a first down probably ends the game, ran straight ahead with Rex Burkhead for a loss of 2 when they have a younger guy who is supposed to be a more promising big back, and then punted on 4th and 3. This gave the Colts the ball back and they proceeded to eventually tie the game and the whole thing ended in a tie. This felt really, really familiar.

The White Sox are hitting .273 with runners in scoring position this year. That is 5th best in baseball and higher than their .262 batting average overall. Remember that game a couple weeks ago where they somehow had 8 hits with RISP but only scored 6 runs? The problem isn't situational hitting and it hasn't been the whole year. They have a high batting average because that's their approach at the plate in every situation, sacrifice power for average. They have a .763 OPS with runners in scoring position, good for 14th in baseball. Despite being 5th in hits with RISP, 5th in total plate appearances with RISP, they are 11th in RBI in that case - because they don't hit the ball hard. They spent the whole year sacrificing power for contact because they wanted to be good situational hitters, when in reality they would have done way more damage if they were focused on driving the ball and sacrificed some extra strikeouts in the process.

There’s so many off days ahead that they could move guys around again if they wanted Cease going every 5th day here on out.

Confirmed images of the Ukrainian flag flying in Kupiansk today, Russia was clearly unable to mobilize reserves to put up any defense of that city. Ukraine will have a bounty of supplies from there. Unconfirmed but more common reports of Ukrainian forces in Izium, taken in the first weeks of the war thanks to a betrayal by a pro Russian official. Estimates had at least 10,000 Russian troops in this area, that would have been enough for them to hold out for weeks even if cut off if they wanted to fight. For Ukraine to be pushing into this area much of the Russian army must be throwing away their weapons and trying to flee. Lots of photos of high tech weapons being abandoned seems to support that. If that army is trying to flee then soon Ukraine will have to pause this offensive to try to police them up. Lots of reports of Russian civilians left behind including teachers who were brought in to teach the pro Russian narratives. But with this army broken, it will be difficult for the Russians to reform any defense in the East, Ukraine will have to refill and resupply but they have an open path to reclaiming their original borders in the whole region. What has happened this week will be taught at army war colleges for decades.

Sure seems like they helped him on pitch 2 more than hurt him on pitch 3.

Yes let’s see if this gets through 7.