NCsoxfan

Value doesn’t necessarily mean teams offering commensurate value in a trade.

Maybe he agreed to stay on until after the season ends.

Yeah I would’ve thought so too. Never know maybe a different team emerges in the off-season more willing to give up prospects or a player on the ML roster

It’s not binary. They could trade him this winter, they could trade him at next deadline. You can’t trade a pitcher with 2.5y of control (10-12war) and not get back a kings ransom. If a good enough deal wasn’t presented then Hahn did the right thing.

I think Hahn is atrocious but you can’t say he should be fired because of today. We have no idea what was offered for Cease, and he should’ve held a high high bar. I’m a fan of what he got for Giolito, Lynn, and Burger.

Fortunes can change in short order. Unless you’re receiving an existing MLB star you cannot get a prospect package good enough for Robert. You just can’t do it if you use surplus value. but yeah let’s trade a sure thing for a bunch of non-sure things that have two additional years of control. Brilliant. Thank goodness you aren’t anywhere close to the front office!

Wait until Rick gets his hands on the setup man for one of this year’s ALCS teams

Happens all the time. As soon as the season is officially over and the pressure is off guys start hitting. It’s pathetic tbh

Just checked the box score. Love how Tim waited until the white flag came out before hitting his first HR

Thompson is a AAAA warm body. Irrelevant

Hahn is only relevant every 5-7y during a tear down. His head gets enormous after trading for prospects.

Hahn should work in academia. He can sit and pontificate and sound smart without having any real world repercussions.

He should retire and fade off into the background.

serious question: do you guys think Hahn even believes in himself anymore? I would guess these last few weeks have taken any last remaining wind out of his sails

Agree but he’s not the primary issue. If he managed Tampa they’d still be in the playoffs. If Kevin Cash was our manager we’d still be a pile of crap.

Yawn boring. Grifol may be a s%*# stain on the carpet, but Rick/Jerry/Kenny are the huge pile in the middle of the room.

They drafted younger players because they believed they’d be in contention and could extend the window by drafting youth. Now that they realize they aren’t - they want older players who can quickly contribute.

KW is taking over? We can narrow down who he’s targeting. Who is 38 and going to be a future hall of famer?

Rick has never considered character, desire, and work ethic in his evaluation.

There’s a losers mentality in this organization. This includes Rick, Kenny, Tim, Eloy, Yoan, Yaz, Gavin, Bummer, and more. No accountability, no drive to make things better, no desire to beat the other side on a given day. The worst part is nobody is even angry when they lose. They just take it and wait for the next butt kicking.

Does this team have any pride? It’s almost like they enjoy getting the s%*# kicked out of themselves.

50 FV tier 1. Nick Kurtz (21.1), 1B, Wake Forest 2. J.J. Wetherholt (21.8), 3B, West Virginia This is a tossup. Kurtz got a surprising amount of support in my pre-MCWS prospect rankings, tucking in behind the Crews/Skenes/Langford group and ahead of Rhett Lowder (seventh overall pick) and Chase Dollander (ninth). The take from scouts is that he's a plus hitter with a plus approach and plus-plus power (not exactly the same player, but think someone like Anthony Rizzo) with what will likely be three seasons of dominating in college, so being limited to first base doesn't bother them. 45+ FV tier 3. Vance Honeycutt (21.1), CF, North Carolina 4. Travis Bazzana (21.9), 2B, Oregon State 5. Jacob Cozart (21.4), C, North Carolina State Here we have more well-known college players, each with a concern that keeps them one step below the top tier. Honeycutt was the early favorite in this class, going from little-known prep prospect to freshman 6-foot-3 center-field phenom with 25 homers in the ACC. He has some consistency and contact questions to answer in 2024 but also plenty of upside. Bazzana (an Australian) is a plus runner who will fit up the middle somewhere -- he can really hit, he's polished and scouts rave about his makeup. His power is good not great, and scouts speculate he could fit better in center field but would like to see him play more shortstop. Cozart is next in the line of standout ACC catchers (Kyle Teel, Patrick Bailey, Joey Bart) with above-average defensive skills and raw power. 45 FV tier 6. Jac Caglianone (21.4), 1B/LHP, Florida 7. Braden Montgomery (21.2), RF/RHP, Stanford 8. Brody Brecht (21.8), RHP, Iowa 9. P.J. Morlando (19.0), RF, Summerville HS (South Carolina), Mississippi State commit 10. Dakota Jordan (21.1), CF, Mississippi State 11. Malcolm Moore (20.9), C, Stanford 12. Anthony Silva (21.0), SS, TCU 13. Chase Burns (21.4), RHP, Wake Forest 14. Christian Moore (21.8), 2B, Tennessee 15. Josh Hartle (21.3), LHP, Wake Forest 16. Tommy White (21.4), 3B, LSU 17. Charlie Condon (21.1), 1B, Georgia 18. Thatcher Hurd (21.6), RHP, LSU 19. Mike Sirota (21.0), SS, Northeastern 20. Hagen Smith (20.9), LHP, Arkansas 21. Kyle Debarge (21.0), SS, Louisiana Lafayette 22. Drew Beam (21.4), RHP, Tennessee 23. Billy Amick (21.7), 3B, Tennessee 24. J.D. Dix (18.7), SS, Whitefish Bay HS (Wisconsin), Alabama commit 25. Michael Mullinax (19.0), CF, North Cobb Christian HS (Georgia), Georgia commit 26. Derek Curiel (19.1), CF, Orange Lutheran HS (California), LSU commit 27. Konnor Griffin (18.2), SS/RHP, Jackson Prep HS (Mississippi), LSU commit

Jacob Cozart - C from NC State would be a good fit for us here’s what Kiley says about the class ”There's no sugarcoating it: 2023 was a historic MLB draft class, and 2024 is merely a normal one. The top tier of a draft is what makes the whole draft class look good. Having five clear top talents (Paul Skenes, Dylan Crews, Max Clark, Wyatt Langford, Walker Jenkins) who were all candidates for the No. 1 overall pick made the whole class look better, when the rest after that top group were pretty normal. The 2024 class has a normal top of the class, in that there are a couple prospects who are seen as consensus types to go on a minor league top 100 upon being drafted because of ability and performance but with some lack of ceiling. The rest of the class is solid, but the lack of exceptional talent at the top hurts the perception of the entire group.”

Seems like the analysts like many of the picks this year.

These comments only make them sound even more stupid.