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The thing that bothers me is this: when has a pitcher ever been fixed/healed by being sent to the pen? To me, this is like Rose and his knee. If his elbow is going to blow, it is going to blow. Babying him isn't going to help it. I would rather him take a few weeks off and come back to the rotation and see if the pain comes back. If it comes back, aggressive treatment and a doctor andrews visit. Going to the pen to me is just silly.

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QUOTE (Reddy @ May 6, 2012 -> 11:39 AM) also. caulfield knows more about baseball than 90% of this board, me included. if he's freaking out - i think it's legit. just sayin. I don't agree with any of this. Just sayin. He knows baseball just like the rest of us, I see nothing that puts him on a different level.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 6, 2012 -> 11:23 AM) Sorry, my comment was sarcasm I should have realized, I'm in rapid response mode right now lol. Whatever is happening to Pujols is extremely significant. His pitch selection, OBP, power, average, everything is way down across the board. This situation could very well alter player contracts above the age of 30 for a long time. It makes Soriano's contract look decent, at least he produced when he showed up in Chicago.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 6, 2012 -> 11:16 AM) but it is HARDER than it was 2 days ago! jesus Point out where I said it wasn't harder

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 6, 2012 -> 10:51 AM) I don't see how it's whining to realize a tough rebuilding with Sale at the top of the rotation became an impossible one with him in the bullpen. because it isnt impossible. Just a change of direction.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 6, 2012 -> 10:39 AM) WHY because whining about stuff is lame

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 6, 2012 -> 10:37 AM) explain, you may be on to something. There is nothing to explain, I just see this team being better than what we are currently seeing. Right now the Sox have gotten minimal production out of everyone not named Dunn, Konerko and Pierzynski. Beckham looks to be turning a corner, Alexei always comes out of his funk in May/June, Viciedo is a notorious slow starter, and De Aza is going to be a good leadoff hitter for the Sox. For me that leaves Morel and whoever fills Sales spot in the rotation as the question marks. These can be remedied through trades or call-ups(for pitcher. obviously hoping Axelrod is better than I think he is. And I dont know that he is very good at all). Every major league team's success depends on X player having a career year and Y player coming out of nowhere to succeed. Sometimes it happens sometimes it doesnt, it isnt in my nature to sit here and predict failure based on one player going to the pen. s*** happens in the majors, how teams deal with it is what makes them succeed or fail.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 6, 2012 -> 10:24 AM) Makes sense with Kemp struggling this year also The air didnt seem to bother Kemp last season

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 6, 2012 -> 10:32 AM) I don't understand. Of course you dont, you think they are done for a long time. I think they will remain competitive, throughout this season and into the future. It isnt hard to understand, you just dont want to

If he stays a closer for his career, hopefully he is one of the leagues best for the duration of his career. It definitely changes direction of the club, but seeing how good he was as a starter, i just have a hard time believing that they will never give him a chance to do it again. Like I said, that is just me.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 6, 2012 -> 10:28 AM) the white sox are looking at sale as their permanent closer. permanent. not starting. he spent this WHOLE OFFSEASON preparing to start, and the sox brass still wasn't ok with it. what's he gonna have to do to change their mind? There's nothing he CAN do. This is his new job. He's never starting again. If he DID, we'd be having a Joba Chamberlain situation, and we know what happened there. I dont really believe this at all. But that is just me.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 6, 2012 -> 10:23 AM) How long do you think the Sox are done for? I dont think they are done.

QUOTE (RME JICO @ May 6, 2012 -> 09:33 AM) At this point it has to be something, injury, lack of PEDs, eye sight problems, age discrepancy, something. The best hitter of a generation doesn't just fall off the map like this. He has no power and is swinging at bad pitches. He doesn't even look like the same batter. according to ESPN, it is the air in California. lol

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 6, 2012 -> 10:14 AM) Solid point except for the small fact that Garcia was the only one that panned out. That still doesnt change the fact that talent can be acquired. And the Jury is still out on Peavy. Obviously he has a lot of ground to make up, but his start has been nothing short of awesome. i honestly dont think Jackson was that bad either, he had some really stellar starts Plus, there have been diamonds in the rough like Loaiza, Contreras, and Humber that have shown up and provided some really good innings for the Sox. My point is there is a lot of "OMG we are done forever and it will never get better" posts that are all based on the decision to move Sale to the bullpen right now. It hasnt been decided for the duration of his career, just right now. And who knows, maybe there is an about face on Sale and he comes back to the rotation sooner than we think.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 6, 2012 -> 09:47 AM) we have no minor league system from which to cultivate two starting pitchers we have no minor league system from which to deal for two starting pitchers we have no major league pieces with friendly enough contracts to deal for two starting pitchers we have absolutely zero track record on drafting decent players, and even if we did, that would be a couple years off. the reality is, we're not going to be competitive for the next couple years. and that bums me out. This has been said pretty much every season since KW has been the GM, yet somehow he has been able to trade for proven starters like Peavy, Jackson, Garcia, Vazquez, etc. Somehow the Sox minors doesnt look as bad to opposing GMs as it does to us, weird.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 6, 2012 -> 09:50 AM) Again, totally agree. The package we gave up for Swisher wasn't the bad part of the deal. It was the seemingly lack of scouting at his ability to play CF/leadoff and whether or not he'd get along with the core group of veterans in the clubhouse and Ozzie. Obviously we will never know the truth, but to me it seems pretty obvious that Swisher didnt fit in and it carried over to the field. That is a personality scouting issue. When Swisher was acquired i really dont remember many people complaining about the price

QUOTE (fathom @ May 6, 2012 -> 09:43 AM) KW and company have done a good job of being proactive in trading some of their young player if they feel the player is never going to live up to their potential. It's pretty obvious they had concerns about Sweeney developing power, Olivo struggling to call a game, etc. I have no problem with selling high on young players, especially in a system that has really struggled to develop home-grown offensive players. This is also why it stinks that our minor league system is so bad now, as it gives Kenny a lot fewer bullets to use to obtain Major League pieces. Olivo should NEVER be counted as a loss. Freddy Garcia was well worth the price paid

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 6, 2012 -> 09:42 AM) Who KW allowed Ozzie to talk him into letting go, when it probably made the biggest difference in deciding the 2010 ALCD. A good GM doesn't let his manager dictate his roster, the GM exerts his will on the manager (see Beane vs. Howe). GMAFB Caulfield. 4 years after he was acquired. You dont then count Gio as a loss because Ozzie is a f***ing idiot and didnt want to keep Thome

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 6, 2012 -> 09:38 AM) But that's kind of accepting the same type of mentality that we don't have the patience to wait on 99.8% of the players we draft to develop. We've never had a Gooden, Strawberry or Harper that was ready to dominate from the get-go. Of course, in my mind, there's a difference between Ryan Sweeney and Morel. Sweeney has/had higher upside, we just didn't have nearly enough time to wait for the strength/power to come into his game. But he always had that pretty swing, the talent and ability was there at least. And maybe he'll never be anything more than a lesser version of Mark Grace but in RF, but he's definitely playing a major role on the Red Sox and carrying a 933 OPS through regular play. We traded Ryan Sweeney when he was still just 22 years old. Brent Morel is already 25. Not at all Caulfield, it is accepting that you have to give something of value(Gio, Sweeney, etc) to get something of value(Thome, Swisher). Im sure you werent sitting there b****ing about being patient with Gio when Thome was hitting his game 163 homerun over the batters eye. Sometimes prospects pan out, sometimes they dont. If a prospect pans out 5 years after the trade is made, you dont hold that against the GM. now Hudson for Jackson, well that is a different story. Hudson made an immediate impact at the major league level and it was extremely shortsighted. But those other trades you are complaining about are just ridiculous. What has Ryan Sweeney really done at the major league level that makes you regret that he isnt in the system? The guy has a career .286 batting average with no power(14 career HR!!!), has gotten over 50 RBi once and has been on the DL many times. Hell, the guy has never played over 134 games, and averages 70 games a season. And what, this is the guy you want as your corner outfielder?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 6, 2012 -> 12:28 AM) And then greg will complain that the White Sox are being cheap and disloyal after trashing him for the last 2 years or so. I'll admit. I've been hard on Peavy as well. But unless he's willing to take a big f***ing pay-cut (or a deal with a bevy of incentives), I don't want to see him back next year. At all. I like that you said "bevy"

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 6, 2012 -> 09:32 AM) Michael Morse. That's why KW should be fired. Not Jeremy Reed. Cowley, Marty and Greg Walker predicted he would breakout as a 30/100 guy a decade ago. And just think, all the guy needed was to roid up and bounce around the minors for 5 years as well

QUOTE (fathom @ May 6, 2012 -> 09:32 AM) Yep, just like with Gio, it's pretty far-fetched to think that KW would have waited long enough for McCarthy to turn into a solid MLB pitcher. I remember watching Gio in his first year in Oakland, and it wasn't pretty at all. Gio also brought back Jim Thome, I would have KW make that trade again in a heartbeat

QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ May 6, 2012 -> 09:28 AM) John Danks has years of service with the White Sox and has racked up 16 fWAR. You can't compare the two at all. Again, you're going to have more players lost than added over time if the only players you count as added are the ones on the current roster. Not to mention it took McCarthy 5 years before he finally put it together

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 5, 2012 -> 07:13 AM) I'll take knightni's list and expand upon it (in another irony, Richard and Buehrle faced each other last night while our future Randy Johnson's career prospects careened rapidly downhill) KW lost/traded: Chris Young Gio Gonzalez Clayton Richard Daniel Hudson Edwin Jackson David Holmberg (#7 prospect in DBacks system) Brian Goodwin, OF (#5 prospect in a deep Nationals system) compensation for Dunn Alex Meyer, RHP (#6 prospect in a deep Nationals system) compensation for Dunn Mark Buehrle Sergio Santos Nick Swisher Ryan Sweeney Fautino DeLosSantos Javy Vazquez Jason Frasor Jim Thome This list is hilarious. How can you hold against KW the draft picks that were acquired as compensation for Dunn? Just because of their ranking within the organization? De Los Santos? He of the 33 major league innings and blown out elbow? Holmberg has never been in the bigs. There are plenty of reasons that KW could lose his job, but this list is a joke