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I will even go as far as to say I would rather them get back pitching, vs a dude with 4 years of control as a primary piece.

Duh.

More specifically in my case, it is dudes who are unknown commodities now, but could explode on to the scene in the near future, with the connotation of being super young and low level players.

Lenyn Sosa is the least likely of the four to be a future starter, so plug him in AFTER what is best for the guys in front of him. DH/1B, hell get him a LF glove, it isn't like Benny is doing anything positive out there anyway.

I would even sort of understand taking on a Vientos type pitchern who had high expectations but disappointed to some extent, because we do actually seem to have a magic touch as an organization there. But we don't even have that history with hitters.

This is how I see it. It isn't even like the dude who is playing SS is some incredible defensive whiz and/or long term stud for the Sox anyway. Chase is a total future 2b or utility guy.

And if you saw him as a 3B, just play him there in the minors so he get the reps there. Why wouldn't you have him learn this at an easier level?

#1, I have yet to see the Sox be the type of team to fix a dude like this long term, but even if you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, he is over two years of service time. There is no way this dude is on our next playoff team if he is fixed. So now we are back to trading him in two years to hope we find the next guy. #2, The Mets are another team loaded with some really interesting super young talent. I would much rather see them do some scouting on some of those international players and take lottery tickets they like vs a guy with two years of service. The vast majority of the Sox potential offensive talent is going to be here for 2/3/4 years anyway, so why do we need a dude who doesn't fit that window? If they don't want to give up their middle minors guys, look at the DSL signings and see if you can make something happen out of those 22/23/24 class signings.

This is apparently the part where I claim credit for people coming around to what I had been previously saying. #Team2030.

Whoever we get for Robert is BY FAR the best chance, which we all know isn't going to be great. I think we all know the return is going to be ugly.

I have zero expectations of anyone we get at this trade deadline making it as a future starter for the Chicago White Sox.

I mean, it's about diminishing expectations for the fan base, and minimizing the fact that this was not the only time that Robert could have been traded. For example we do also have the Reds offer reporting from over the winter that had the Sox getting two top guys for Robert if they had been willing to kick in, but if you can turn this into hating this return, it's just Sox fans being irrational, again, because obviously they were never going to get more.

Yeah, that's what I don't get. What happens in the little bit of extra time of waiting that was supposed to be better for a Robert trade return? If the expectation isn't that the offers will get better (you know, like Dylan Cease being traded while he value is down after a down year from his career year), why are you waiting? I am still not sure what waiting an extra six months to year does for his trade return. I mean if I am understanding the vagueness of the answers here, I am being told that Luis Robert was worth 100 million dollars, but we were only get back say $90 million in return, but if we waited six months until his worth fell to $90 million, making that same deal was now OK, because it balances. If that is the case, and you don't expect his return to go UP during that time period, what are you waiting for, exactly? Peak value is peak value.

Please. Free to a home.

Can't be that. Has to be everyone else who is wrong. Because "value".

Robert was coming off of a career year and Cease wasn't. That's my lane. My lane is the GM should know these things, especially when there is all kinds of off of the field reasons we keep hearing about. Maybe if that isn't a part of the lane, Sox people shouldn't be putting it out there?

So what did waiting six months do for that, exactly? What exactly was going to happen between then and the summer to make things better?

I literally gave you twice that it already happened for the same franchise.

It would be nice if you could actually articulate why, other than this wasn't a mistake because "value".

That's my feeling. This rebuild has no sacred cows. Honestly, I think teams are sniffing around him because they think they can get Grant Taylor for less than it would cost to get say a Duran from Minny.

So is this dude just the OF version of Tim Elko?

I fully doubt that anyone is willing to pay full closer price for Taylor, considering he is completely unproven at any level.

Again, if the feeling is that his extension doesn't fit his body that has been floated out there is true, the Sox don't see Taylor as a starter long term, no matter what they are saying publicly.

Cease being a great example of taking what is out there for a depreciated asset versus selling at the top.

This is absurd. You are basically telling me that Robert had to have his value depreciate so that they could trade him at some sort of a fair price, knowing fully well that means risking his historically bad health, along with the whispered work ethic and coachability factors that keep being whispered about by those in the know, coming into play. What exactly was going to change in six months that all of the sudden that made a trade for Robert then a proper "value" for him. If teams weren't going to offer enough at 4 years, why would waiting six months for them to hopefully be offering the same thing in six months, but now with six months of depreciation to his value make it worth while to trade him because now that is proper "value" a sane thought. If it is the best offer you are going to get, why the heck wouldn't you take it? There is zero chance that the offers were going to go UP from him having a huge breakout year and full health for the time in his career. Speaking of "value" in some sort of abstract, with literally no evidence backing it up, versus his absolute value being almost certainly never going to be higher than it was in 2023 because of the factors that I keep mentioning, and keep being ignored seems like missing the forest for the trees. Rick Hahn was able to get a huge deal for Adam Eaton specifically, who was WAY less of a player with four years remaining on his deal. Chris Sale brought a much bigger "value" return as a more established player. Why wasn't it possible to get something along the Eaton to Sale lines in terms of a return for Luis Robert when we have seen it happen before?