southsider2k5

For someone who likes to talk about people not answering your questions, you literally said nothing here that actually responded to the substance of what was ACTUALLY said. Oh sure, you made up things (again) that weren't actually said, and threw in a few more insults (again), but never actually addressed the actual response.

Literally none of what I said, is accurately reflected here. This entire post is made up for you to create an argument that wasn't there and attempt to knock down. There are plenty of mediocre middle relievers out there who the Sox could populate this roster with, and would not require the movement of their own young talent, nor $5 to $7 million dollars a season (which is your made up number, not mine). The Sox have already brought in back end guys in the million to two million dollar range who will fill innings just as well as a Steven Wilson did last year, and cost us nothing for the future. The results out of the 2025 bullpen literally do not matter. The foundation of this organization is a 121 win team. Any effort to win games in 2025 is inherently wasted, and any resources given up to do it are giving up potential bullets for the timeline where we might actually have a chance to do something. If we want to trade young talent for middle relievers in 4-5 years, because we have a team where the 5th and 6th innings actually matter, do it then, like a normal organization. If the current mantra that we have this amazing group of pitchers whispers from development all of the way up to the major league level is actually true, we should not even need to waste resources trading for these guys in the future, because this amazing development program should be turning them out from guys just like Combs and Fajardo. The theory being not that every guy hits, but if you collect a critical mass of those types of players into your amazing system, you can turn enough of them into major leaguers that the failures don't matter because they are overwhelmed by your successes. We should be in a mass talent collection phase with a focus on guys who will be on a major league roster in 2030, not 2025. In fact in the short Getz era, we have seen the opposite, where it seems to be the guys who we dump who have higher rates of success after leaving the Sox organization versus the ones who we either bring in from the outside, or promote from the inside, are having within the Sox organization. The fact that we are already quickly dumping Getz recent draft picks, and recent trade acquisitions looks like a red flag that already questioning their own work and processes enough to dump these guys for incredibly low ceiling and older middle relievers. Their actions and their words do not flow in the same direction.

And most importantly why are we giving up future pieces that actually fit the type of timeline a 121 win team would be on, for arms that will be dead and buried by the time we could actually use back end type bullpen arms to matter in middle relief?

None of the arms we got are $5 to $7 million arms.

I do pretend to understand that if we wanted cheap mediocre relievers we could just as easily spend non-prospect resources on them in the free agent market instead of giving up on what we supposedly do so well instead. Are you going to pretend that our trades aren't flat out contradicting what our chorus line of press is saying about how great we do at this very activity? Why is the only way we can find any relievers by trading for them with the very pitching prospects we are supposed to be so good at developing?

So we have too much pitching, and not enough pitching, all at the same time. Folks we have Schroedingers bullpen.

I can't help but note that for a system that has such faith in its player development and specifically pitching development, they sure are trading off a lot of young pitchers to get middle aged and very limited ceiling middle aged pitchers to replace them. If this is supposed to be the lodestar of Sox player development, why are we sending future out for guys we should be able to easily replicate in our system? I mean even if we were getting hitters for them, it might be something, but old middle relievers? Make it make sense for me.

A quick search shows the lowest career BABIP against is Phil Niekro at .251 with his HOF knuckleball

He came to the Sox and regressed. HARD. This supposedly new and liberated development team, with the baseball people in charge is sure having problems producing productive baseball players in anything other than something called "process". The whole "revamped" swing thing sounds an awful lot like "best shape of his life" and "healthy by Spring Training" to me.

This is expert trolling. Bravo.

This was about 12 names light. Sigh.

Need Caulfields take here.

I mean he's not dead yet, but those are some pretty major red flags between performance and attitude.

Nah, everything is fine. Sox player development will fix him, just like they always do.

This from the guy making morality judgments of those who feel they don't owe Jerry Reinsdorf a dime.

Nothing entertains me more than the people who do nothing but complain about this place, yet has to be here every day to correct people... almost as if needing to influence public opinion.

You are exactly what you rant against.

As opposed to anyone who disagrees with you being in a "misery coven". So much better.

If he was ready for the level at 19, then his performance is important. The only way his age being an excuse matters is if he wasn't ready and played there anyway

So he was rushed?

It was always light and rushed. This just makes it worse, even though pretty much everyone was already mad about getting a middle reliever instead of a prospect... and this is why.

Lucas Giolito on line 1.

His name, mostly.

If you think a "good" SS couldn’t get a job for more than what he just signed for, you are on your own supply.

Too late, house bet.