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QUOTE (iamshack @ May 24, 2017 -> 02:46 PM) Abreu and Q would be great veterans to usher in the next era of White Sox baseball. We could do much worse... Both are consummate professionals both on and off the field.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ May 24, 2017 -> 02:31 PM) JCL was at LaLu. So that's the connection there. Will be interesting to see how long Heirmann can keep alive the connection with LaLu and whether he can branch into new areas by the time that connection dries out. Is this a short term bounce? I have to imagine two things. #1, LaLu promoted his top assistant, which is exactly how Heirman got the job in the first place. This will serve to keep the pipeline open to DePaul for kids who want to exploit it. #2, If DePaul can make an impact it opens the door to other kids from outside of the pipeline to also stand up and take notice that DePaul could be a real option for kids again.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ May 24, 2017 -> 02:26 PM) It probably doesn't hurt to keep him as the veteran of the pitching staff when all these young guys start coming up. I would have to be blown away to trade him at this point because whatever you get back is going to have a hard time matching Q's production over the next three seasons when the core of prospects ascends to the majors. He is a guy who you never have heard a bad thing about as long as he has been on this team. He is also the poster child for dealing with adversity as he is the world champion in ND's because of bad offense, and yet he has never said a word about it. If he can impart his view on how to be a professional on to the kids of this pitching staff, especially for guys like Kopech who might have some maturity issues, that is a huge win for the Sox.

Top Gun 2 confirmed. Welcome to the End Times.

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QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ May 24, 2017 -> 01:28 PM) I understand it's the 21st century and being in the media means you are supposed to be unbiased or if you are you recuse yourself for commenting / reporting on things that you can't objectively talk / discuss. Obviously I'm out of step with the times but personally I don't care. There's a right way and a wrong way to do things in the media. I've tried very hard in my career to do things correctly. Not trying to preach, simply saying if you are ethical, you do the proper thing. If I had to cover / report on the Cubs for example I simply could not do so because I know I couldn't talk about them objectively. You write as a White Sox fan on the White Sox all of the time.

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QUOTE (Reddy @ May 24, 2017 -> 01:13 PM) Again. I can't even engage with you on this because your assumptions and your firmly held beliefs about me, how I fight, where I stand, and my experience with the groups we're talking about is so wildly off base, that nothing I say will change your mind. You feel the way you do about me, and there's absolutely nothing I can do to change that, so I won't waste my time. But you are fundamentally incorrect about every damn thing you think you've gleaned from this discussion. I am not surprised you feel that way at all. I don't think you are at all cognizant of the way you think in terms of what is really happening. Even the completely false ideas as "examples" you used reflect what people who have no real experience with poverty view it from the outside. Of course you feel like you are benevolently crusading for the people you are trying to look out for. The reality is that what you are talking about is so far removed, it isn't helpful at all. It only serves to further the problems and obscure the solutions, ensuring that more people stay a slave to poverty.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 24, 2017 -> 01:13 PM) Honest opinion is sox are going to get way less than we expected on Q. At the couple of returns we have heard about, I hope they keep him.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 24, 2017 -> 12:39 PM) All you have to do is trace RFK's campaign route in 1968 almost fifty years later. Migrant farm worker communities out West. Pine Ridge Reservation, Boone County SD, still the poorest in the country Appalachia Rural Mississippi Etc. The only area that significantly changed over that time was the Rust Belt, with lost factory jobs hurting Pittsburgh, the northern 2/3rds of Ohio, Cleveland, Detroit/All of Michigan particularly hard. And note that despite some of those areas being predominantly white, the generational poverty has not changed. "White Privilege" hasn't made a difference for sure.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ May 24, 2017 -> 12:22 PM) Reed would be a great 3rd or 4th piece to a Quintana deal as his value is far lower than 1 year ago If I were the Astros I would be very interested in a player like Quintana at the deadline. Small sample size, but Martes has had significant issues with walks this season, issuing 23 walks in 24 innings pitched at AAA. He has also been far more hittable, allowing a .289 batting average against and a 5.25 ERA in 6 starts. He's young and still has plenty of time to develop, but Houston likely will need to admit that he won't be able to help a playoff push in 2017 yet. When it comes to Martes, this is where you have to decide how much you trust your scouts.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ May 24, 2017 -> 12:50 PM) Rumors of JCL transferring to DePaul. That would really hurt Illinois. Mark Alstoff is deciding in about an hour. Has one year of eligibility. Could really score. Jesus, DePaul could have a good team for the first time since I was in elementary school. That is crazy.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 24, 2017 -> 09:43 AM) IIRC, DL stints don't count as roster time towards Rule 5 status. Looked it up. http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/ask-...4lRTC8YRGgT8.97

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ May 24, 2017 -> 11:31 AM) He should care because he is getting paid by ESPN to be an unbiased observer in my opinion. It doesn't mean what he is saying is necessarily wrong but admitting for the world you are a big Royals fan colors his judgment...again in my opinion. That's as bad as ESPN having Chris Berman do the play by play for the Red Sox / White Sox series in 2005 after telling everyone he's been a Red Sox fan for years. (Oh no! He gets him to go...LOL). That simply should not happen. Welcome to the 21st century. Everyone is biased.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 24, 2017 -> 10:29 AM) The problem isn't the idea that a win is the ultimate goal, it's that the starting pitcher has LESS THAN HALF of the actual control over whether or not the win happens. It's simply not precise enough to be an effective measure of a pitcher's value. Thought exercise: A win is 50% run scoring (offense), 50% run prevention (defense). Given that, a pitcher has a maximum of 50% influence. But of that 50% influence that defense holds, the defenders in the field hold a significant portion. The pitcher undoubtedly holds MORE, so let's estimate that 40% of that 50% goes to the pitcher, and 10% goes to defenders. Given that, a pitcher has a maximum 40% influence. But of that 40% influence that pitching has on the win, a single pitcher only pitches part of the game. So far this year, the average innings thrown per start for SPs is 5.66, or about 63% of the total innings pitched. When we apply that to the pitchers 40% influence, a pitcher has a maximum of 25.2% influence on the win. So, on average, the starting pitcher of 2017 has an affect on ONE QUARTER of the outcome of the game. That's giving the pitcher 80% of the credit of all outs, and 20% to the defense, which I think is conservative. You can set your own values, but even if you give the pitcher credit for 100% of run prevention, that brings the ultimate number to 31.5%, or still less than a third. The pitcher is still the single most important influencer of a win, on average, but his influence is not even remotely close to the point where you could say that he controls the outcome. It's insane to judge a person by a measure of which he does not have control. And so we get more precise, by instead measuring the components of the win over which he DOES have control. I appreciate the line of thought, but I can't help to think that if the percentage were really THAT low, the statistical flukes like Q would be more the norm than the exception. To a high degree of correlation good pitchers tend to get a lot more wins than bad pitchers. If it were really only 25% on the pitcher, then you should see a lot more bad pitchers with a lot of wins, and good pitchers with a lot of losses.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ May 23, 2017 -> 09:45 PM) Anybody else friends with Danny Mac on Facebook? He will accept almost anyone's request. Anyway he was at a wedding somewhere recently and he, Jurko and Harry took a photo together. ESPN 1000 has been horrible since they broke up. Really miss that show. Yeah, that was the last sports show I can think of in Chicago that didn't have an adversarial feel, or one of the guys just making up reasons to argue. It really seemed like three dudes just shooting the breeze.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 24, 2017 -> 08:58 AM) Stating statistical fact is not disenfranchising anyone. It's raising awareness so maybe people like you can wake up to your ignorance. Are you seriously suggesting I pretend those facts aren't real, because by doing so it'll protect the feelings of our marginalized communities? Isn't THAT showing even less respect for them? You think they can't handle the reality of their situation? You think they don't have the mental fortitude to see that reality and overcome it? You think we should pull the wool over their eyes, and people like me shouldn't talk about the issue, because doing so "disenfranchises" them? Really? The irony. You are using simple statistics to try to say something that really isn't true. Misunderstanding a statistic to make a perceived social statement doesn't make it a fact. As I said, if it were a fact, you would be able to prove it by showing that affluent blacks are raising poor children at a higher rate than other races are. If it were truly a racial problem, you should be able to remove things like generational wealth and educational achievement and still see the same issue. Can you prove that? I don't believe you can. And yes, when people like you consistently send the message that you need to deal drugs to make money, it has an effect on young minds. When you constantly send the message that you are black so you won't succeed because you aren't white like me, it has an effect on young minds. When you have parents who were raised to believe the messages that you are preaching here about not succeeding because of race and the like, it has an effect on young minds. The only barrier between people like you and the child's success is an educational system that has to attempt to unbrainwash them into believing that their one true ticket out is education. And really that goes for anyone. Let's not pretend that generationally poor white areas of the country see some huge success rate that generationally poor black families don't.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 24, 2017 -> 08:53 AM) People see the thing they want to in order to make it fit their narrative. That works both ways you know. Especially when you have no practical knowledge of which you speak.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ May 24, 2017 -> 09:49 AM) It's not really, though. WAR is adjusted for era. We know how much more dominant x player in the 1960s was verses today. WAR is still a very flawed stat.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 23, 2017 -> 08:17 PM) It's hard to imagine, deep down, that Law still doesn't hold some animosity towards Kenny Williams...especially since KW almost ended up taking a job with the Blue Jays, and is still theoretically calling most of the "big" shots in Chicago. Maybe he's "neutral" or slightly positive about Hahn, but that doesn't override his visceral KW disdain dating back to the Sirotka/Wells trade. He didn't almost take a job there. He didn't even interview.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ May 24, 2017 -> 09:00 AM) Should we be concerned this singing hasn't been made official yet? If this were an organization like Baltimore that likes to use physicals as a way get out of contracts, sure. For the White Sox, no.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ May 24, 2017 -> 09:34 AM) The problem is that the modern bullpen use does not only decrease the wins but also other counting stats like IP, Ks and even WAR because the pitchers simply pitch less. Starters have given up part of their value to the bullpen. The question now is how to handle this. This is exactly why the exercise of comparing stats across eras is so futile. The game has changes and different phases. The comparison really needs to be with how dominant a player was in his own era as the first litmus test for the HOF.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 24, 2017 -> 06:49 AM) Have 75% of voters vote for them.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ May 23, 2017 -> 09:47 PM) Never want to see a guy get hurt, but this is best case scenario. Throw him on the DL and bring him back in August as the mop up man. IIRC, DL stints don't count as roster time towards Rule 5 status.