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QUOTE (Reddy @ May 23, 2017 -> 01:51 PM) I'm not going to engage any further with you on this. I won't be able to surmount your confirmation bias. I can confirm that the typical form of income for a poor black family is not drug dealing.

Adam Berry‏Verified account @adamdberry 48m48 minutes ago Jameson Taillon threw a 25-pitch bullpen session today, head athletic trainer Todd Tomczyk said.

TR Sullivan‏Verified account @Sullivan_Ranger 1h1 hour ago Daniels said Adrian Beltre could head to extended Spring Training this weekend to start getting at-bats....

ChiSox at Dbacks, 8:40, Ch 9: Anderson SS, Saladino 2B, Abreu 1B, Frazier 3B, A Garcia RF, L Garcia CF, W Garcia LF, Smith C, Covey P

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ May 23, 2017 -> 02:52 PM) I believe at this point last season Robin Ventura's team had a better record. But, Ricky's ok Chris Sale and Adam Eaton say bye.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 23, 2017 -> 03:17 PM) I'd love to bet Keith Law something worthwhile. I take Robert, he's got Tatis Jr. player with the best career WAR wins. He is getting exactly what he wants, which is lots of clicks. He is turning into the Jay Mariotti of minor league prognostication.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 23, 2017 -> 01:31 PM) Couple things: 1) I was simplifying for rabbit's benefit 2) do you or do you not believe in political correctness? You can't have it both ways 3) clearly I was making an example, not asserting that all black kids need to deal drugs. Obviously that's not true, so I didn't feel it needed stating. 4) black kids are significantly more likely to find themselves in the situation I described than white kids because of economic disparity, not inherently because of their skin color. 5) Put away the faux outrage This entire discussion exists because of your fake outrage. The fact that you are the one labeling black kids as needing to deal drugs (even if it is "as an example") instead of doing what they typically doing the same thing as white kids in the same situations is as telling as anything. Again, speaking as someone who is familiar with poverty and the people in it, your stereotyping couldn't be any more wrong, or harmful to the people you are talking down on. The only one labeling people based on race here is you. If you don't see that or understand that, you really do need a lot of self-examination.

FutureSox @FutureSox Per @BaseballAmerica, the #WhiteSox signed 26-year old RHP Jake Johansen to MiLB deal. Last with Nats AA club, former 2nd Rd pick.

QUOTE (ptatc @ May 23, 2017 -> 01:13 PM) Would you prefer soft tossing HS pitchers? I would prefer a hard throwing college pitcher.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ May 23, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) I'm not sure that's true. The first and most obvious one is slavery. Asians, Jews, and other immigrants faced different economic hurdles, but being chattel wasn't one of them. The second is Jim Crow laws in the South and discriminatory housing policy in the North. That's not to say that Asians, Jews and other immigrants haven't fought their own economic hurdles, but African Americans had to have a war fought to obtain freedom, and then historic legislation passed to put them on equal footing. To say that those policies haven't led to unique economic hurdles to generations of African Americans would be disingenuous. On policing (brought up earlier in this thread), poor, disproportionately minority areas have a very different police presence than an affluent suburb. I was a prosecutor in a large city, and I can attest to the number of police reports in the poorer areas of town that started with "police stop initiated because suspect had taillight out" and ended with an arrest for possession. Kids who make mistakes in poor, disproportionately minority areas have a higher likelihood of having a record while possessing drugs at a similar rate. And a conviction at 18 can have a massive impact on ability to get into college and get a job. The discussion should be more nuanced than "poverty not race" and "bad parenting." Civil rights organizations are STILL identifying discrimination against Jews and Jewish groups to this day, as a large problem across the country. We just don't hear nearly as much about it.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 23, 2017 -> 12:19 PM) I think his value will ultimately be its highest at the trade deadline this year. Any team acquiring him will be paying for, at most, 8 months of service, compared to the 12 months this offseason, thus decreasing the total monetary expenditure by 30-33%. Said acquiring team will also still have control of Robertson for 2 postseason runs, so if that team were not in a position to qualify for the postseason in 2018, they'd still have time to flip him and reacquire some lost assets. If they are, then they have him both postseason runs. This is different than a starting pitcher simply because a starting pitcher will only get, say, 10-12 starts prior to the postseason, which is, at most, a 2 win upgrade (unless said pitcher pitches like Randy Johnson from 1998-2002). A reliever could realistically pitch upwards of 25-30 games down the stretch, all in high leverage spots, which could theoretically "add" 4-5 wins, not necessarily as a result of their own production but simply based on being able to maintain a lead down the stretch where that team previously was not able to save that lead. If the Sox have to kick in money to get a better prospect, they should, but regardless, they should get a better return for Robertson at the deadline than any other time throughout the process. I am going to guess once the Robert deal becomes official, the teams desire to kick in salary is going to decrease for a while.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ May 23, 2017 -> 11:33 AM) Luzardo could be an interesting guy coming off TJS, agreed. I would want to see a better piece than Ward coming back as well. Ward is by no means bad, but questions remain about his ability to stick defensively at third base and he is a well below average runner. His hitting has been solid at AA ball so far this season, but if he cannot stick at third defensively then his bat and power really need to play up for him to have value. Hard throwing HS pitchers are always a gamble. Adding a TJ surgery to that uncertainty scares me badly. I am really glad the deal fell apart.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 23, 2017 -> 12:00 PM) Cut your name calling bulls***. You said whites makes more than blacks and Mexicans so they're privileged. Asians and Jews make more than whites so they must also be privileged Right? Explain why they do better. Explain why the system isn't rigged against them. Historically Jews and Asians have fought almost all of the same economic hurdles that blacks have faced in this country.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 23, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) White kids like you don't need to deal drugs because they get an allowance from mom and dad. Black kids in impoverished neighborhoods have to deal drugs to help their single parent put food on the table and take care of their two siblings, because the other parent is in jail on trumped up charges and a harsher than necessary sentence. You're asking them to turn down the huge sums of money that literally feed their families out of some sense of morality? What's truly more moral? Not deal drugs and let your family suffer or deal drugs, feed your family, and risk being put in jail? I can't believe you can type something like this and not see the naked racism in it. The vast majority of poor black households work for a living, not deal drugs. This is the exact thing I am talking about with your ignorant stereotyping of people you know nothing about. Poor black kids aren't drug dealers. They don't need to deal drugs. Most people in this situation work real jobs to help out their families. How you can call your self moral and compassionate and still post stuff like that is beyond me.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 23, 2017 -> 11:49 AM) WHICH THEY ONLY HAVE ACCESS TO BECAUSE OF THEIR ECONOMIC PRIVILEGE WHICH THEY HAVE IN PART BECAUSE OF THEIR SKIN COLOR jesus. I can't believe that people actually can think like this.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 23, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) if you're born black, you're nearly 300% more likely to be poor than if you're born white. Yeah. Black people totally aren't systemically disenfranchised in America.... If you want to take the easy way out, sure stay in your bubble. But it would be nice if you actually weren't disenfranchising the people you pretend so hard to care about, but have heard so much about from your other like minded friends. We reward one thing in this country above all else, and it is not race.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 23, 2017 -> 11:17 AM) can you give me the demographic breakdown of the communities that experience the most poverty in, say, the Chicagoland area? Despite your best effort to make this is a racist issue it is not. In order for it to be true, you would need to be able to prove that affluent black parents tend to raise poverty stricken black kids at a higher rate than whites do. Can you prove that? I know the reflex is to see race in everything, but that simplistic idea just doesn't fly here.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 23, 2017 -> 11:13 AM) Of course it's a poverty issue. Which groups of people are more likely to be in poverty? People that had poor parents.

This entire thread is just absolutely 100% wrong. It couldn't be more wrong and insulting to be honest. As someone who has extensive experience not only working with the types of kids you are looking down on, but also a wife we has 15 years of experience teaching the kids you are looking down on you have it fully wrong. This is not a racial problem. The thought that it is a racial problem only complicates the matter. This is a poverty issue. This is a cycle of kids having people like you telling them that they can't amount of anything because of who they are and what they look like, and that their only hope is more handouts. The work undoing this line of thought is impossible most of the time and condemns kids to repeat the cycle of poverty for their lifetimes. Get out of your shell and actually work with some of these kids and understand them. I couldn't be more disgusted right now.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 23, 2017 -> 08:34 AM) I think Jose Abreu is a guy who has more value to us than he has to the rest of the league. First base production is actually way up this year league-wide (so far), and even a team with a big hole there will only pay so much for what is essentially average-ish production from the position. For us though, he's a really mature and likeable guy for the fans, he's a calming and popular leadership presence in the clubhouse, he's a role model and familiar face to our top Cuban prospects, and he's paid fairly. Certainly, if someone wants to overpay, we'd have to consider, but I'd plan on keeping him around for the duration, honestly. Avi, on the other hand -- if he keeps this up into trade season and someone is willing to pay for THIS YEAR'S production, we should ABSOLUTELY try to cash in. But I think that any acquiring team is going to look at the same numbers we are and will price the risk of regression into their offers. Ultimately, it'll probably make more sense to keep him around given what I'd expect the offers to be. Having this in the midst of a rebuild is important. Teaching kids how to be major leaguers is important and underrated.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ May 22, 2017 -> 09:54 PM) Hansen 5IP 6H 3ER 3BB 10K The question is always how was his stuff and mechanics late in the game?

QUOTE (oldsox @ May 23, 2017 -> 10:18 AM) Let me get this straight, JImmy. You're saying Sox have signed 20 international guys in 2016-17? This is very typical. The biggest signings get publicity on July 2, but most fly under the radar and are $10's of thousands of dollars instead of hundreds. If you go and look up the stats of the Sox DSL team, a lot of them will fall into that category.

Dan Hayes‏Verified account @CSNHayes 6m6 minutes ago https://twitter.com/scottmerkin No Luis Robert talk from Rick Hahn. But did say #WhiteSox have done a lot of good things through draft, trade and international over 11 mos. Daryl Van Schouwen‏Verified account @CST_soxvan 6m6 minutes ago Rick Hahn talked to media here in Phoenix. Won't take questions on Luis Robert before it is official.

Dan Hayes‏Verified account @CSNHayes 1h1 hour ago #WhiteSox for 5/23: Sanchez 4, Cabrera 7, Abreu 3, A. Garcia 9, Frazier 5, L. Garcia 8, Anderson 6, Narvaez 2, Gonzalez 1. No DH.

Daryl Van Schouwen‏Verified account @CST_soxvan 53m53 minutes ago Jake Petricka (lat) with #whitesox in Phoenix. Threw live BP, all pitches. No firm timetable, in spring training mode.