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And it completely ignores the fact that the Cubs are FAR from the only team who has a ballpark village type of game day experience. You don't need to be playing day games for this to happen. Hell it is public record as to how much Atlanta is raking in doing just this.

Wrigley Field is FAR from the only team in this bucket, though it appears to be the one you chose to focus one. How about Atlanta? How about Boston? How about Arlington? How about St Louis? Have you ever stopped to think that if your theory about the Sox limiting their own fan base to only the favored ethnic groups you pointed out, and limiting themselves only to a certain segment of the city is actually hurting the team by robbing it of revenues that could be used to improve the team on a year to year basis when the bandwagon empties out? Nah. It has plenty of parking, who cares.

Which is exactly why the Sox want to grow the fan base beyond the bandwagon.

I mean we could have done that with Vaughn too, but yeah.

Everybody fails is a helluva argument, immediately to be followed up by here is all of the times you were wrong. Honestly, it is just plain sad. None of us are paid to be successful in baseball. Maybe if we had the same standards for those employed by the White Sox as some do for fans on a message board, this franchise would hold itself to a higher standard? Nah. Forget it. Too crazy. Welp, back to those hurt feelings!

So Vaughn is leading, hitting, and playing defense? Wonder when he learned to do that, because if he did any of them for the Sox, he would still be here.

I can't believe you still can coach, hahahahha

Especially now that the Sox aren't on basic cable.

It's like literally 20 blocks, but the access to people is completely different, being on the edge of the financial district and in one of the fastest growing residential areas of the city.

It's not often I champion some of the bloggers causes, but it would be nice to see literally any of the credentialed White Sox media ask Chris Getz about these firings, especially in the case of Katz, who has had so many successes happen under his watch.

And he was in the majors for like two weeks at the beginning and a month at the end appaently.

I'm second standard deviation!

Baseball tourism IS a large part of the Cubs fan base. That is NOT happening right now for the White Sox, and neither is the fan looking to make a day out of going to a ball game by having a game day experience of bars, clubs, and whatever else is around the park. For the history Sox fan base, the model is currently "Show up when they look like they might do something big", and that leads to huge drop offs when things aren't good. That's where we are today. This is a failing model, and seeing where we rank among our peers both in attendance and love of stadium in MLB, it's pretty easy to figure out why. This is a franchise that NEEDS to do more with it's game day experience, and what we have done the past 35 years and 35th and Shields isn't it. It's a sterile ballpark with its most prominent feature being "it's not bad". It's a neighborhood with no real easy access to game day entertainment before and after the game, and definitely not a volume of easy options, as is happening intentionally these days in places like Atlanta and Arlington, and historically in baseball entertainment friendly neighborhoods like Wrigley and Fenway. If we want the White Sox to exist in 50 years, we need to realize the historic fan base is currently fleeing Chicago and the Chicago burbs and think about what Sox fans will look like in 2075, not what they looked like in 1975. The trend is greater than just showing up for 3 hours of baseball in a generic building, and the teams that realize that? Those are the franchises doing the best right now.

And calling people names at the top of your lungs IS NOT an effective way of portraying NOT being mad.

Did he get the full number, or was he prorated for the portion of the season in which he pitched in the majors?

And still wins.

The transaction was announced in April 1980, which was a strike year, so I went with 1981s attendance. All that to say, the post statistics are still accurate. The Sox have a shrinking fan base since Jerry took over, and for some reason there are those pretending like we can't mess with success. It's not the good old days anymore and the Sox are being left behind.

I will even tack on to this, Jerry bought the team in April 1980. In his first full (non-strike) season as owner the White Sox averaged 19,316 per game. This year the Sox averaged 17,849. The only teams behind the White Sox? They are playing in literal Minor League ballparks and are looking at potential moves. It's the same location since 1910. It's the same owner since 1980. It's the same park since 1991. Tell me again how all of these things are soooo important to a franchise whose fanbase is shrinking and among the smallest in baseball.

If they "understand it" why are fewer fans at any point since 1999 going to games at this location, despite there being parking, Jerry Reinsdorf, and located where they have been since 1910?

Let's be real. While there are some much older people in the Sox fan base, for the vast majority of it, they don't remember the 1950's or 1960's. The median age right now in the US is 38.7 years. Somewhere around 5 out of 6 people in the US right now are under 65.

Depending on who they are, and where they ranked, it absolutely could. Also that isn't the only reason the Sox list dropped. Smith and Schultz had pretty awful years too. A year ago Colson was #9. Any system is going to give much heavier weight at the top, vs at the bottom. It's common sense. You don't just count up top 100 guys and equate them equally. The Tigers having #2 and #8 is worth more than the Sox top two guys of #35 and #40, even though they are both in the top 100. Just since the midseason when we were number 17, our top two guys fell in the rankings. despite all of the season's graduations in front of them. The weight is going to be heavier up front.

How are you offended by basic math?

It means 1967 was almost 60 years ago, and that puts you really close to the age where you start collecting social security. It wasn't that deep.

Nice of Cohen to finally let Stearns hire his own people.... no wait...