southsider2k5

Their fanbase is burnt to the ground. It may never come back.

Look, when it comes to Andrew Benintendi, I couldn't care less. He has two years left under contract, and is probably getting about to the point where the Sox have historically been able to dump a deal like this, whether he plays well enough to be traded, or he just gets DFAd. Essentially he is down to 2/32 left on his deal. If he wins LF, cool. If not, too bad. He's not going to be a part of the next winning team, so his job means nothing going forward. Baldwin isn't going to be a guy who plays the same position every day. His value is going to be playing 3/4 spots a week to give guys days off. His defense needs to get better, but that is doable. Nothing about his defense is like Benny's arm that you really can't fix it. Sosa and Vargas are great potential LF targets. Both have had OK bats, and maybe taking away the weakest part of their game allows them to play a bit better even. I will worry about Braden Montgomery when he gets here. If he is good enough to force someone out of a position when he gets here, cool. If not, too bad.

I would categorize bumping a thread from a year and a half ago to rub it in people's faces as whining, especially coming from someone who gets upset when disagreed with.... some might even call it trolling.

Nothing like coming in hot on an old thread bump.

It isn't often on Soxtalk that a thread goes exactly how you would expect it to. Thanks.

Maybe we need a White Sox shutdown? Jerry is already defunding them.

I would also rather save LF for one of the no field hitters, such as Vargas or Sosa.

Yet you keep responding to him like your job depends on it.

Well that was a joke you apparently missed. Stand down.

He seemed to have success with guys who didn't suck, and got success out of guys who hadn't always shown it. Talent was definitely an issue during his time here, as I don't care who the Pitching Coach was, most of the pitchers on the roster were going to suck. No one is turning guys like Cannon into a front line starter.

Leave it to White Sox people to continue to s%*# on their own. I wish I knew why we continue to operate like classless buffoons.

To be fair, for about 42% of the season, this team wasn't on normal TV. Going to guess that much like attendance, apples to apples viewership was flat to up a little.

And it probably means Getz doesn't have nearly the amount of control that we have been told either. Neither has been able to make changes as needed, and instead we get this.

This is Chicago for God's sake. Dude is asking for his bribe. If he gets what he wants, Sox Park would happen there. Let's not act like this bit of Aldermanic theater hasn't been going on for the entire history of Chicago. Aldermen wield the power to shutdown projects in their districts as a hammer to get what they want from something else. Of course he is "Going to take some convincing". He's looking for a new pet something.

I am honestly surprised no one has tried him in gadget plays as a back or wide out sweeps, or something to get him the ball in the open field.

The White Sox will also bid 300 million. Wait, what? The bidding is in dollars, not Yen? Nevermind.

For as much s%*# talking as has happened about former players, that is a pleasant surprise.

Apparently Getz did not think this year was worth a B.

I think his value will come from being serviceable in like 5 positions instead of below average at 1.

So glad he is free to run the organization as he needs...

Well after my rant in the other thread, maybe the Sox see the need to have coaches instead of over the hill players acting as coaches.

Katz surprises me with all of the praise he had been getting up until now.

He's looked like he'd run 27 different version of Gordon Beckham out there over 5 years.

This is a team that has lost 223 games in the last two years. What exactly have we gotten out of "veteran presence"? Would we have lost 230 games without legends like Rafael Ortega, Martin Maldonado, Matt Thaiss, and Josh Rojas demonstrating how hard to work at absolutely sucking at major league baseball over the last two years? Or if we are bringing in veterans to show the kids how to play, might it actually be better to bring in veterans who can actually demonstrate how to play WELL, and then actually being able to get pieces of value back for them at the trade deadline like a real MLB franchise? This is also such a weird piece of circular logic. We have spent the last two years throwing around all of the buzzwords around WORK ETHIC, and drafting guys with CHARACTER, while needing to surround them with terrible players because they have VETERAN PRESENCE, and I can't help but wonder, we do have coaches right? We do have game day staff? If we draft and develop kids effectively, why are they NOT learning this stuff as they come through the system? Why do they need ANOTHER set of coaches on the field in the form of VETERAN PRESENCE to show them how to play, when those ethics and habits SHOULD have been installed in the years these guys spend as White Sox minor leaguers. Why are we paying these guys millions of dollars to do what our coaches and staff should have already been achieving? Are we not capable of taking raw, but talented guys, who have historically gotten by on talent alone because of their overwhelming abilities at the younger levels, and then adding a major league work ethic to those players with our current MiLB staff? How is having Travis Jankowski roaming around your roster for a while supposed to do that, meanwhile the guys who actually have COACH or MANAGER in the program as their title seemingly unable to do it over the course of the YEARS they have them before they are ever exposed to the MLB roster? I contrast that question with the fact that almost all of the MiLB management and coaches stuck around after the GM change to ask if these were problems from the previous regime, why did we only change the people in charge, and not the people putting in the ACTUAL work with these kids on a daily game day basis?

You say this about Sosa, but can you actually name the last time a White Sox 2B played more than half a season at 2B and had a 101+ OPS or greater?