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So we are to the point where you claim he is a top 30 guy because you claim he is, despite no one else saying it. Got it. Cool.

Looking at FutureSox, Keith Law, fangraphs, and MLB rankings he is quite literally not a top 30 guy.

Gowans is not a top 30 guy right now. Shuster was terrible last year for ATL and their AAA team. He was awful at Charlotte and awful as a starter for the Sox. As a reliever he gave up an OPS split of 110, meaning he was 10% worse than league average. While his ERA fell as a reliever, all of his splits actually got worse. He struck out less batters, gave up more H/9, a walk every other inning, and a not great HR rate. He hasn't shown he was a MLB reliever by a long shot.

They made the Bummer trade in large part to win games in 2024 and lost 20 more games than the previous year. They targeted guys like Nicky Lopez to improve what was the leagues worst defense. They were even further behind the rest of the league as the leagues worst defense. They targeting pitching to try to fill out a rotation. They were the worst pitching team in baseball. We got have one guy out of that trade that might have a decent future, and he isn't even a top 30 guy for the White Sox. We got no future out of that deal. This deal was an abject failure in every aspect.

This is an awful flex.

The system is made for comps, and also builds in a salary suppression system which lessons after each year until the last year they are a full scale. Just the removal of a level of suppression from year 4 to year 5 is a big increase. It's literally now the system is built. Look it up if you don't believe me.

And if that is the way it is done, that's fine.

From Comcast today.

Just for the sake of the system, I would much prefer a native who is fluent in the language, plus knows the culture and has a natural access to the way things are done down there. Someone coming at it from the outside will probably have a much longer learning curve.

You willing to bet $200 to $300 million on getting better without the assets from Crochet that we can make a playoff run by the time a long term contract runs out... or his health runs out?

Who were the Phillies top guys who were agreed to?

Instead we should let Crochet walk for nothing?

Hopefully he gets the talent evaluation hires right, because we are doomed if we follow the last year trends.

That is terrifying, yet not surprising.

This is literally proving my point. And now if we are going to use the Burger/Eder trade standard of hindsight, Shewmake was garbage and is a DFA candidate. Schuster was awful. Pretty much the only non-disappointment was the MiLB pitcher who isn't even a top 30 guy anyway. We literally got nothing of value for Bummer. We got more for Tanner Banks just by getting a single decent prospect.

Nah, don't project your panic on to me.

And instead we failed at getting anything out of Soroka and Lopez. So much better.

Fine, as in having them in the deal wasn't a problem, but they sure as s%*# weren't enough, especially when taking on as much short term dead-weight as the Sox did.

As opposed to what we got in this deal? Again, I would rather take a chance vs taking on free agents and DFA candidates at more than market value. Hell even if we got a real prospect in this deal to cover for taking on salary, I could have even handled this, but we got third rate prospects plus negative value players. This deal was awful as a whole.

He had a deal for 25 and an option for 26. He would have been fine. It was a gamble worth taking versus taking on players that would be long gone before the Sox sniff 60 wins again.

They should have been less than free. That's the point. They shouldn't have been in the deal at all. I don't know exactly what the other deals looked like, but if this was my only offer, I would have sat on Bummer and road him into the season betting on a turnaround.

I was excited about Rome, but I said that day I draft O line early and often after Caleb.

I would like to read more on what "director of hitting" will actually do for this organization.

Soroka is gone after this year. He was always an awful piece to have in this deal for that fact alone. Schuster is fine as a piece of a deal like this. Lopez was a totally short term piece, who offered no upside at all. He was a maxed out piece we could have waited a week and paid a FA price for instead after he was DFA'd. Shewmake, I don't really mind as a piece either. Gowens is a guy who when you look at the "average" age for a level looks ok, but once you subtract out the guys who are older guy going no where, he is a pretty old guy to be at the low of a level. He was 24 starting out in High A. He SHOULD have been dominating that level, yet was pretty mediocre in his half season there. He was better in Birmingham, but for a pitcher that is also pretty expected. I am ok with a guy like this at the end of a deal because at least he has six years of control. Lopez and Soroka were definitely guys to try to win a couple of more games with in 2024, and that failed miserably. I would have rather taken overlooked rookie ball guys like by scouts versus never has been major leaguers. Find a one tool guy. Find a guy who had success without measureables. Just something other than guys who won't help you down the road.

Eh, spending assets on good relievers (whether cash or trade) is having a Ferrari in a trailerpark for this team.