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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 14, 2013 -> 03:22 PM) Cleveland has 51 wins. Terry Francona was available at one point to manage our Sox. Fail. This happened... http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/11/16/repo...aking-2012-off/ ....Fail

If the hole wasn't so big to dig out of, and a good middle of lineup 1B/DH/3B was available to trade for then I'd be on board with sin and rockin. If PK can return and be the old PK(which I doubt) I wouldn't be surprised if the Sox are over .500 for the 2nd half of the season(just the 2nd half, not overall).

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 10:10 PM) First of all, Sox fans are being ripped on Twitter for being mad at Ventura, so I'm not the only one who feels the way I do. Secondly, you and I disagree on Rios certainly being traded. I, for one, don't think anybody is going to a.) give up any real talent for Rios and b.) isn't going to take Rios without wanting significant dollars from the White Sox. I personally don't see the Sox giving a team a lot of money in the deal when the return will be very very fringe prospects. Now, the fact the Giants once acquired Jose Guillen from the Royals makes me aware some team MIGHT be willing to take the sometimes lazy Rios off the Sox hands. Guillen also loafed at times and the Royals were finally able to dump him. But I do believe that was in the LAST YEAR of Guillen's deal with KC. In other words, I think it's 40-60 that Rios actually even gets traded. I do believe he may remain a White Sox til that contract mercifully expires. I don't really understand how Robin gets ripped in this Rios scenario. Rios is the guy who dogged it, do we agree on that? Robin did the only thing he could do to maintain respect in the game of baseball. Rios dogs it in the opening game of the second half of the season with the score tied for godsakes. If it was 8-2 Atlanta at the time, MAYBE you overlook Rios' stealing of a paycheck, but not in a 2-2 game. Robin's reputation was ON THE LINE, folks. Robin did the right thing and he has a new fan in me. I want Robin to manage the team as long as he wants to, now. Lol man greg you are classic, the Ozzie Guillen of this message board no doubt. What are your thoughts on PK famously dogging it to first ever so often when he hits a ground ball right at a guy? I believe soxtalk even started using the phrase "mean mugs and shoulder shrugs" (or something close to that, idk if we went all Nelly on him) at his lackadaisical-ness when it came to running to first. Now I know PK isn't the athlete Rios is so I can feed your rebuttal with that but still...Is he lazy? Is he stealing a paycheck? It was a hard hit ground ball right at Simmons, who by the way was being praised for his D in todays game, that should have been as routine as it gets. I don't blame him for being frustrated with the ab, putting his head down, and basically becoming Paul Konerko for a second. I'd venture to believe a good deal of major leaguers would have done the same.

I am on board with those who say Rios isn't the only guy who loafs to first on a hard hit ball to the SS. 99.9% of the time that is an easy DP. Rio knew that and put his head down in disgust.....Can't remember how many times we've seen our captain PK do the exact same thing. I don't think RV handled correctly.

If they trade Reed I'd love to see them get back Jake Barrett from the DBacks in a Peavy trade. A Peavy trade built around Owings and Barrett would be pretty sexy.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 11:39 PM) Would you accept Glasnow and Kingham for Rios? Forget the 2 weird shortstops for a minute. If I were the GM no. While the value is there IMO the Sox need to get a bat back in return. 2 SPs, with all the depth we have at SP is overkill to me. Glasnow and Dickerson or Bell would be something I'd accept. *waits for "you can never have too much starting pitching" comments*

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 08:39 PM) Rumor has it medicals have led to the Cubs-Rangers trade disintegrating. The player that is having medical problems? Mike Olt. You guys remember me talking about a week ago about the concern for his medicals. Others in the scouting community are expressing the same concern. Believe me or not but I did my HW on this. Hate to burst your bubble but your link has an update... Perhaps Feliz.

On the other hand Lexi continues to up his value. He's now 2nd in hits over the last month with 37.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 10:17 PM) Yep. Any other organization could get a decent, grade B prospect for him, but not our pathetic front office. Thought I stumbled in the NBA thread for a second.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 07:00 PM) $4M surplus value, not what they're worth. That's how I take it too. Surplus value meaning they're worth 4 mill more than they're being paid.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 04:18 PM) You want Ventura gone after one season where the players haven't played very well, especially on defense, but you were just fine with Ozzie allowing that kind of s*** for the last 3 years of his tenure. Gotcha. Anyways, no, if the Sox were to trade Rios and Ramirez and added no money, they wouldn't bring back a big return. The Sox don't necessarily need to free up payroll for any number of reasons, so they may kick in half of the money for the contracts or so to bring back better prospects, thus their value would be approximately $24 million, which is worth quite a bit. But it was entertaining!!!

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 04:05 PM) No, I'm saying baseball inflation and insanity pays Kemp 22 million a year. I happen to think he should be paid about 7-8 million a year in today's prices. Matt Kemp before this season was one of the best hitters in baseball. Just 2 years ago he was a HR shy of being a 40-40 guy with a .324/.399/.586 stat line. He was worth every penny when he signed. The Dodger couldn't foresee injury issues from a player who had no injury history.

Ramirez is in the top 5 in both hits and stolen bases over the last month....We all know he heats up with the weather...He has value.

QUOTE (mataipaepae @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 01:11 PM) I don't get the hawk hate. I actually really enjoy him. I think he does a very good job with our games. I guess it helps that i am not from chicago or live around there? either way the documentary was very intertaining and i like listening to hawk and his stories. some of you just seem to damn crabby about every and anything possible. I agree with everything said here. I never really understood the desire to have a "real play by play guy"...Baseball is such a simple game, I don't think there's a need for a play by play guy to tell us what we're seeing. On the radio yes, of course, but on TV I don't think it's needed. I'd rather have Hawk story time over someone just telling me what I'm seeing.

Greg, you've made separate posts talking about Rios and Alexei in deals for Joc Pederson and Pedro Alvares...And now you don't think the Pirates should want to acquire them. All in the span of 1 All Star break. You are one confusing gentleman.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 01:00 PM) A white guy hitting uncontested jumpers. Everyone watch out. ...Exactly.

My gf had to tell me who that was, I was lost. I'd prefer this guy...

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 11:50 AM) Q&A with Tom Thibodeau That was a pretty good read, thanks for sharing. Am I the only one that liked the fact that he mentioned Erik Murphy? I'd love to see him get some playing time.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 12:28 AM) Haha so you hate the way Adam Dunn plays baseball but you want Pedro Alvarez? You would hate the amount that he K's Greg. Lol I was just about to say the same thing. They're virtually the same player. Alvarez has 109 ks in 304 abs while Adam has 108 in 310. Pedro has 10 hits and 3 rbi on Dunn but Adam walked 19 more times.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 04:23 PM) By the way, I would love to get any kind of scouting info people might have on Nick McCully. I got basically nothing. Here's a nice article on him... http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/06...barons_pit.html Was a reliever who got put into the rotation when Molina got hurt. Added a changeup to his fastball and slider. Pitching coach also worked on his windup as a starter....Everything seems to have come together for him.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 11:54 PM) Rios and Alexei for Polonco, Hanson, Kingham and Herrera? Does that seem like a steep price? Replace one of Polanco or Hanson with Dickerson and that might be a bit closer.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 11:42 PM) I'm saying nobody should get one of these contracts. Then the problem would be solved and a "decent" box seat might cost 20 bucks instead of 60. As far as my silly little tangent, Ben Maller is the one who started it. I'm just responding to the current bust, Kemp. Good job you found a quote from radio host in New Zealand who agrees with your stance on "ill advised contracts". This obviously stems from your comments on Dunn and Danks.

The Pirates hitting prospects are a bit further away then I'd like (I want bats for next year) but I can't say I wouldn't love to have some of them. Sox love them some Hoosiers, Alex Dickerson would be a nice get. He and Hanson, Bell, or Polanco would be some really solid pieces for the future.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 11:05 PM) Pujols is going to get paid $87,000,000 for the 3 seasons when he is 39, 40, & 41 years old. Not sure even he has built up the reputation to warrant that contract. Some team was gonna pay for him, maybe not that long but that's how you're going to have to sway a guy from signing with another team. Mo $$ or mo yrs.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 10:56 PM) Part of the problem with baseball contracts is they are far too focused on past performance as opposed to anticipated or expected performance. This is a symptom of there being a s***load of money in the game. I guess the length can be questioned. If you're looking at older player who have already started falling off then sure. The guys who greg has mentioned don't really fit that description. Matt Kemp was in his prime. Albert was a machine that showed no signs of slowing down, at least this early in the contract. A Rod is still riding out a contract when he was looking like the best player of all time. Dunn had just come off 2 straight solid seasons, and we've seen hitters like Thome play well into their mid 30s. Danks is another player greg brought up earlier and his contract was considered a "good one" when he signed it. KW nor any GM can foresee and injury.