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QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 30, 2013 -> 02:36 PM) I'm thinking Jacob May isn't long for Great Falls. I agree, hopefully he can develop into a Coco Crisp type of player.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 29, 2013 -> 11:49 PM) The problem is that there's no reason at all to assume we're five years from contention. How can you even plan for more than five years out? If you can't imagine a 24 year old will still be young enough to contribute the next time you have a shot to contend, you're saying that no one in your entire organization will save your team at any point. If you're talking about guys more than five years away, you're talking about guys in high school and college. I agree. There is no reason to trade Sale. Going into this deadline and offseason the sox need to move Peavy and Axelrod and lock up Santiago and Quintana to team friendly deals. I'm sure if they offered something to Santiago he would bite on it instantly based off his character. As for people calling Dank's contract an albatross, thats a joke he's 28 and will be 31 when this deal runs its course and quite frankly i think we haven't even begun to see what he is capable of it wouldn't surprise me over the course of the next three years he has another 5WAR season. The sox are going to be shedding so much payroll this offseason and next, now is the time to lock up our future core and see what we have within this organization. Having said all that they just need a league average offense and they can be back in the thick of it with their pitching. Two year maximum rebuild as we wait on Thompson, Hawkins, Anderson, Phegley and Johnson. If two of them pan out at the major league level we'll be doing great.

does anyone think they might give Micah a very aggressive assignment after the ASB and move him straight to AA? Also love seeing SSS returns on Anderson.

LOLIRL what a s*** show, trade reed and lets move on

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jun 28, 2013 -> 11:35 PM) Dunn 2 run single gives Sox a 4 run inning and 6-5 lead in the 6th. Who is this Dunn who rarely strikes out any more ? The one that we hopefully move at the deadline?

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jun 28, 2013 -> 07:58 PM) The 2014 is pretty solid compared to the last two drafts, there are a ton of players with high potential. I would like to see the Sox continue to build a core of high ceiling position players to go along with Courtney Hawkins and Tim Anderson. I hope they draft: Alex Jackson - C/3B/OF Jacob Gatewood - 3B/OF Tyler Beede - P Also keep in mind if the White Sox (Who if the season ended today, would own the 5th overall draft pick) continue to lose at this pace they would have a bonus pool of about $3,636,900 for Marco Paddy to play with in the international market. I think we will see the sox begin to lose at an even heavier pace once we move through a large portion of our major league roster, we might have an outside shot at #1

C Flowers 1B Adams 2B Gillaspie SS Beckham 3B Castellanos LF Viciedo CF De Aza RF Thompson DH Dunn #1 Sale #2 Danks #3 Quintana #4 Santiago #5 Johnson

The sox have a well above average core of pitching between Sale, Santiago, Danks & Quintana. The question mark remains with Johnson and what he will be able to produce once he gets the call. This offseason with all of the money coming off the books they need to lock up that core for a very long time similar deals to matt moore for Santiago and Quintana. To be competitive the sox only need a league average offense with how good their rotation is. Do not touch any of the pitchers above or reed, this rebuild shouldn't take that long if its done right.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 21, 2013 -> 01:43 PM) There is no way on God's green earth the SOX could get Moustakas, Ackley, Montero or Ike Davis for Axe straight up, let alone with another piece coming the SOX way. I disagree as it stands now Axelrod is in the same range right now as Matt Moore, Ryan Dempster and Kyle Loshe in terms of war so far, hes cost controlled and appears to be a competent back end starter that wont kill a winning streak, that has value especially when its cost controlled. The sox have a better option in Erik Johnson waiting down in the minors. Everyone of those players i mentioned hasn't put it togeather at the major league level. You're overvaluing their ceiling vs. their actual performance and undervaluing Axelrod's performance vs. his floor.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 22, 2013 -> 03:42 AM) http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cincinnati-re...ZW4tVVM-;_ylv=3 Color me not impressed. This article suggests that the Reds will trade Billy Hamilton to us, get Rios, get cash/subsidies AND prospects back. No thanks. It's not even clear that Hamilton is going to be much better than Micah Johnson in CF. There are many who feel that Donald Lutz, mentioned in the article and one of the first German-born players in the majors, will actually end up the better overall player. Is anyone out there who has watched him play 100% sure Billy Hamilton's going to be an improvement over, say, Jerry Owens? Acquiring a player like Hamilton (who is more of a prototypical lead-off hitter than DeAza, Walker or Mitchell) does give us THAT one missing element to our line-up. However, it also signifies a complete failure in our drafting process to produce that type of player internally (and ready to play starting in 2014). We simply have to bring back a potential impact bat for Rios. Or know that we're going to use some of the freed up monies to sign one. We can't afford to whiff on this, we need a 2012 Josh Willingham or 2013 version of Shin Shoo Choo to be respectable again (eventually). Right now, the Reds are relying on Derrick Robinson (who the Royals in their infinite wisdom cut), Xavier Paul and Donald Lutz with Heisey and Choo on the DL. That's an OF that screams of weakness/regression. Clearly, they COULD use a solid veteran like Rios (or Dye in the past) to anchor one of their corner OF spots. CF? Their scouts should know better than that...as well as making him a lead-off hitter again. thats from the Yahoo! Contributor Network, its credibility is even less than a forum like here and take a look at his photo, hes obviously a red's homer

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 21, 2013 -> 09:35 AM) Axelrod is still someone I acquire if I'm where the Giants are, or someone like that, where you're up s*** creek at the back end of your rotation. Maybe you send out a package of players kind of similar to what the Astros got from us last year for Brett Myers (with us still covering the buyout). Heindenreich was a nice little prospect when we drafted him, I know some here liked Walters, don't know anything about that Devenski guy. Now, it must be said that all those guys are doing horrible right now for the Astros in the minors, but there was/is some ability there, and every now & then it works out. Axelrod IMO can bring in something like that, and if you can do it then I think you should. Clear up the rotation spot, give Axe something to play for as he looks to continue his career, and try to add some more ability to the lower levels of the farm if you can. I would really like to see Axelrod get traded for a high upside low floor major league player that hasn't figured it out yet someone like the following: moustakas, conger, ackley, montero, or ike davis and a low minors live arm coming back as well.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jun 21, 2013 -> 11:43 AM) Interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if these two got a look after the inevitable trades of Crain/Lindstrom/Thornton. agreed, i think we see all three of them get moved with a live arm that hasn't figured it out at the major league level like Maikel Cleto from the cards organization coming back.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 19, 2013 -> 01:27 PM) You really want to sign Crain? What is he, 34? Guys... You know what make us different than the Astros, Marlins, and Cubs? Lack of long-term dead money committed. All three of those disastrous, long-term rebuild projects had to begin by sacrificing every shred of Major League talent for the sake of clearing dead money off the books. Drastic measures were required to clean it up and THAT's why they all have so far to go now to climb back up. THe White Sox do NOT have that problem. Nearly all of our dead money is off the books after next season in Dunn, Konerko, Thornton, and Floyd. Even Rios' contract turns to an option then. The only albatross we have at that point is Danks, who makes $15m. Alexei will be market rate. This is a massive advantage and this is why a rebuild is okay because it can begin and move quickly. The faster you get the core in place, the faster you can begin to complement it and get a winning team on the field. All the young talent we have can be a part of it, and we don;t have to wait forever for Alfonso Soriano or Carlos Lee to get off the books. The quickest way to lose that advantage is to sign more 34 year old veteran role players to market rate contracts to help our s*** team win 3 more games. Move those guys to get more potential core talent! Let's get this show on the road! No more lipstick on a pig -- we don't have to resign ourselves to a 6 year plan like the others because KW didn't screw us over like that. nicely written

These are the trades I would love to see happen Trade SS Alexei Ramirez [14:$9.5M, 15:$10M, 16:$10M*] and LHP Matt Thornton [14:$6M*] to the pirates for SS Clint Barmes [14:$5.5M] and SS prospect Alen Hanson and C Jin-De Jhang - Pirates need both an offensive and defensive minded SS and Matt Thornton would push Watson a bit further back in their bullpen. Sox get Barmes who is just a sunk cost and place holder as we sort out what we have in our farm system between Alen Hanson and Tim Anderson. Jin-De Jhang adds future catching depth with upside that we're missing in our low minors. Trade 1B Adam Dunn [14:$15M] and RHP Matt Lindstrom[14:$4M*] and $9M to the orioles for RHP Zachary Davies & Parker Bridwell. - Orioles currently have Steve Pearce and Danny Valencia as their DH and they could use a bit of help with their bullpen and are no strangers to Lindstrom. Dunn is heating up through out June and Lindstrom elongates their bullpen, sox pay a very large chunk of Dunn's '14 salary to move beyond this and see what they have within the organization. Both Davies and Bridwell are live arm lottery tickets but the sox have shown a propensity for developing arms lately. Trade RHP Jake Peavy[14:$14.5M] and RHP Jesse Crain[14:FA] to the cardinals for 1B Matt Adams[5YtoFA], RHP Carlos Martinez and RHP Maikel Cleto. - Cards are looking for help in the rotation after all the injurys they've suffered, their impeding FAs and need to protect all of their successful young arms. Peavy solves these issues and won't destroy their budget, provided he comes back healthy for his 2-3 starts and Crain shores up any holes in their BP and they will get draft picks back after the season. Sox have nothing in the way of mlb ready 1B prospects and left handed power Matt Adams is blocked. Carlos Martinez has a ton of upside but has his stature going against him and the cards have a lot of young pitching and Cleto looks like a really live back end bullpen piece that needs to figure it out at the major league level, i don't see that happening on a contending team. Trade OF Alex Rios [14:$12.5M, 15:$13.5M*] to the texas rangers for 3B Mike Olt, SS Luis Sardinas and LHP Wilmer Font. - Rangers need production out of the outfield, Cruz might get a 50 game suspension and will be a FA after this season and David Murphy is struggling this year. Sox don't have a lot of talent at 3B thats near MLB ready and they don't know exactly what they have in Gillaspie, the rangers tried Olt out at 1B and Corner OF in addition to 3B seeing how he is blocked, He struggled early in his minor league season but appears to be turning it around as of late. Sardinas is currently at A ball and would just continue to give us depth at SS with him Anderson and Hanson in a nice chain coming up through our system. Font is a little over a year removed from TJ surgery and profiles nicely within our organization and has already made it to the show.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 11:11 AM) I'm fairly fond of this group and order, though I feel like Phegley is one of the hardest ones to pin down. At one point in time, a season like this at any level could have had at or near the top for us. Now he's playing out of his mind in AAA, isn't too old for the level, but nobody is quite ready to crown him yet. I am just as conflicted. The main weakness to this list, IMO, is that none of these players (short of Phegley) appear to be close to the MLB. Johnson might be able to cut it now and should be ready by next season is all goes well, but after that it isn't looking so good. We would have Sanchez would be ready to arrive by next season, but that is in doubt. Maybe Trayce could be a year a way, but that seems optimistic as well. I think we see 4 future sox in '14 before september. Flowers is on a heater right now I imagine they're going to give him all the opportunities in the world to see what they really have, so Phegley won't be coming up baring injury till Sept. I foresee Ramirez being traded at the deadline or in the offseason and if Beckham can continue to be league average I think they give him one final look at SS, with that happening and possibly a decent showing the in the second half and AFL and spring maybe just maybe Sanchez gets the start at 2B. Peavy will be moved soon and I think we see Johnson get pushed up to AAA after the ASB and breaking with the sox next season with the sox dealing Axelrod for a low floor high celing project former top prospect [mariners are littered with them]. That leaves Trayce if he continues his hot hitting i think he will finish the year in Charlotte and could push for CF after Rios gets moved in the near future.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 15, 2013 -> 09:04 PM) Astros and Cubs are playing better baseball than the Sox. Mets are going to be calling up Wheeler soon, but their offense is abysmal. When it's all said and done, I fully expect Marlins to get 1st pick and Astros 2nd. One "advantage" the Sox have to racking up the losses is the tough schedule they have the rest of the way. If Hahn sells off Alexei, Rios, Peavy, Crain and Thornton we could very easily compete for the #1 pick

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 15, 2013 -> 09:01 PM) 6th pick in the draft. Keep losing. yup, get that #1 pick please

lol @ white sox

After reading how Jeff Luhnow was the architect of the cardinals system link and the talent the astros have on their major league roster i think they'll be much better off faster than the marlins and possibly in contention in 2-3.

destroyed that ball

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 03:34 PM) Micah Johnson, 2/4 with a 2B, RBI. Now hitting .330/.420/.503/.923 with 13 2B, 7 3B, 4 HR, 33 BB, 47 K, 49 SB. I think it's really time to push him to W/S. Dump OF Richmond, or SS Curley and give Micah a chance to see better competition. Question becomes what do you do with Joey DeMichele? after a terrible start to the season he's gotten it going especially as of late In May he looked competent: .265/.349/.407 - .756OPS 14/23 BB/K with 6SB/2CS with 15 XBH Through June .341/.386/.415 - .801OPS 3/7 BB/K Maybe they really push Micah and bring him to AA.

5-11 in the series with 2 HR

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 01:39 PM) If he could just develop a slow curve or something to get ahead in the count (like Danks yesterday), it would put him in an even great situation to use his fastball up for a strikeout that looks like a slow curve he just got lowrie out infront of, but I agree with you.

Santiago has great stuff he just needs to challenge them and work off his fast ball better; so far in this game he isn't spotting it very well.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 10:05 PM) That's Michael Johnson with 2 CS. It's often easy to confuse those two. It's wonderful to see Micah get back on track in the baserunning department after being slow down recently. even better