Dick Allen

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 09:07 AM) Why do you always put word in people mouths ? Yea Tyler sucked 2 weeks ago and people wanted him gone. But now he was hot so there's nothing wrong or funny about wanting him to PH NOW not 2 weeks ago. You paint everyone with the same broad brushstrokes. The people condemning Robin don't do it based on results at least the more knowledgeable ones don't. They do it based on playing the odds or percentages of success and failure . If Flowers or Sierra had pinch hit and had the same result as De Aza or even worst at least he made the right move for that particular situation. The outcome is irrelevant. no one is assuming Tyler or Sierra would've succeeded in that situation. That is just you arguing against yourself telling us what others would have done as usual. Again the manager should be out there to survey the situation when his pitcher gets f***ed with. No one is saying Bellasario would have pitched better if he had. Again that is on you. All Beli needed was a pair of scissors. Herm went out there. What exactly is Robin supposed to do? You do realize if a Minnesota pitcher came in wearing a rubber band and had a couple of pounds of rosin on his forearm, he would have asked for it to be removed? These are grown men. Not 8 year olds whose dad is sitting on some bleachers expecting him to be a major leaguer. Many of the same people who say Robin has to show players "he has their backs", have criticized him previously for not publicly embarrassing them either in the press or in the dugout when they screwed up. Another inconsistency.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 09:07 AM) Why do you always put word in people mouths ? Yea Tyler sucked 2 weeks ago and people wanted him gone. But now he was hot so there's nothing wrong or funny about wanting him to PH NOW not 2 weeks ago. You paint everyone with the same broad brushstrokes. The people condemning Robin don't do it based on results at least the more knowledgeable ones don't. They do it based on playing the odds or percentages of success and failure . If Flowers or Sierra had pinch hit and had the same result as De Aza or even worst at least he made the right move for that particular situation. The outcome is irrelevant. no one is assuming Tyler or Sierra would've succeeded in that situation. That is just you arguing against yourself telling us what others would have done as usual. Again the manager should be out there to survey the situation when his pitcher gets f***ed with. No one is saying Bellasario would have pitched better if he had. Again that is on you. All Beli needed was a pair of scissors. Herm went out there. What exactly is Robin supposed to do? You do realize if a Minnesota pitcher came in wearing a rubber band and had a couple of pounds of rosin on his forearm, he would have asked for it to be removed? These are grown men. Not 8 year olds whose dad is sitting on some bleachers expecting him to be a major leaguer.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 08:27 AM) Does anyone believe a system that places this much power with the owners and almost nothing with the high school athlete is fair? There should be some way for the kid to be playing mlb organization ball. Boras' system is about as good as it gets. Boras system making these guys free agents, albeit with a ceiling of what they can sign for, still means a few teams would have all these players sign with them, while other teams , even if they offer the max, will always come in 2nd or 3rd. It is actually very rare this occurs, and would not have occured IMO, if the Astros didn't have the 2nd pick overall next year to fall back on. There is no doubt in my mind Aiken got screwed, but it is hard to imagine a system is totally slanted against a 17 year old who is guaranteed $3-$7 million before throwing a pitch above high school level. I do think the advisor vs. agent thing needs to dissappear, and let them have people with experience who know what is going on negotiate for them, but the idea of more free agent HS kids getting paid is exactly what the slot system is trying to avoid. Let the worst teams have the best shots at these players.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 08:24 AM) Poster's aren't paid to look 2 or 3 moves ahead or manage the team but Robin is. So it really makes no difference when they say the moves are iffy because they are iffy. If you realize it before time, during or after, they are still questionable moves and I don't see you denying that. So you are basically saying, in hindsight, if it doesn't work out, Robin should be criticized, because he had to do something wrong. I had no problem with the moves he made. I do find it funny people who thought Tyler Flowers needed to be relieved of his job a week or so ago, now complain he wasn't used to pinch hit, and automatically assume if he pinch hit, he would have succeeded. I'm sure if Robin did what they now said he was supposed to do and pinch hit either Sierra or Flowers and they rolled into a DP, he would have been an idiot as well. There was posts criticizing him for removing Carroll, and the crap where if he went out to the mound to see them take Beli's rubber band off would have made it a whole lot better is beyond laughable.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 08:06 PM) Okay, the dudes having fun about his glasses are chill with me, but you're on the naughty chair. He's hitting .243/.299/.350 with a .371 BABIP and a 35.4 K% (dead last in the entire MLB). He's put the ball in play 166 times, for 62 hits. Applying the league average BABIP of .300 (his 2011 BABIP was .261, his 2012 .301 and his 2013 .261) to his line gives him 50 hits. Add his 6 homers, divide by his 280 at-bats and an average BABIP would have given him an average of a clean .200. Even assuming all 12 hits he loses were singles (which is generous because he's had extra-base hits that normally would have been outs, like that double which span and then hit the bag), that would leave Ordinary Luck Tyler Flowers with a line of .200/.260/.307. He's just not an MLB hitter. He also ranks 66 of 96 in catcher framing, so it's not like there's some insane hidden value. When they had that article about him last week talking about framing, I figured he must rank pretty high if he is the one being quoted. I looked it up and saw he was way down on the list. I figured I must have been missing something, but apparently not. If his glasses are the reason he is hitting now, good for him. He isn't nearly as bad as his previous 100-120 ABs showed. No major league position player is. He'll cool off again and the call for Nieto will return, but might as well enjoy it while it lasts.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 08:04 AM) That's the problem when you don't bother reading the whole thread or watch the game or read or take part in the game thread . Those were not the major points of contention. Trailing 4-3 Abreu led off the 9th against left hander Glen Perkins with a single and Robin pinch ran for him ( Leury Garcia ) because he's the tying run . Good move pretty accepted and expected strategy. PK pinch hits for Dunn and gets a single moving Leury to 3rd so its 1st and 3rd no outs. Another good move by Robin not letting the LH Dunn face the LH Perkins. Then the questionable move. Robin pinch runs for PK with Moises Sierra when De Aza who is batting .083 against LHers is 2 hitters away. Sierra is RH along with Flowers who is red hot and also on the bench. Now we all know PK is slow but is he the go ahead run . Maybe if Viceido who is up now hits a double Sierra scores whereas PK wouldn't or maybe Sierra can break up a DP since we've seen Tank hit into a few of those before. Now Robin has known all year that his bench is a little short since PK can only pinch hit and not play any other position. SO maybe, just maybe you think ahead, ok what if PK gets on base I might need my other RH's to pinch hit with Perkins being lefty and all and De Aza being really bad this year against lefty's . SO if I pinch run for PK maybe it should be one of my faster pitcher's or a pitcher who's not a starter ( don't want them running the bases) but if I use a reliever and it goes extra innings I could need that pitcher. Or maybe I just wait before I pinch run for PK but I better pick out a reliever and tell him to stretch his legs and if the game ends up going 15 innings I'll cross that bridge when I get to it but the main thing is getting the tying run home. The main thing is getting Leury in from 3rd. That's the tying run and Perkins is one tough son of a gun. Damn it Viciedo K's Conor is up . He sucks against LH's too but not half as bad as De Aza and he 's has a good eye. Well hmm Conor works a walk now Sierra is at 2nd base and I can't use Sierra to pinch hit because he's pinch running but I still have Flower's since Nieto started and he's red hot. Ok so if Flowers pinch hits Sierra can still take De Aza's place in the OF and Flowers can take Neito's place but then I have no catcher if Flower's gets hurt. Ok Leury's still on 3rd. Yea maybe I shouldn't have had Sierra pinch run for PK .Maybe Rienzo could have run though we don't really know how fast he is but we do all know PK is about the slowest man in baseball. Robin has to know De Aza is terrible against LH this year . Sierra is a better choice so is Flowers but he wasted Sierra on the go ahead runner when just getting Leury in was the main thing.. So any way De Aza also K's Gordan flies out to left . Game Over. Carrol pitched 6 strong innings but the reason he didnt start the 7th was because of a blister and I'm pretty sure most knowledgeable Sox fans said hey good job Carroll and weren't upset when Bellasario came in. Before he threw a pitch the umps said he had too much resin on his left sleeve and told him to take a bracelet or rubber band or something off that he was wearing under that sleeve and they cut off his sleeve at the elbow. Robin stayed in the dugout the entire time his pitcher is being messed with. That is kind of odd. I think most managers would've come out and said wtf why are you f***ing with my pitcher and to gauge how Bellasario felt about it. Well Bellasario was angry ( his post game comments)and proceeded to wet the bed. Walks the 1st hitter, then Thigpen visits the mound. Gives up a single next ,a wild pitch and another walk before he is replaced. So these are the things that some of us questioned. So you are saying there is zero chance you would have fried Robin if a go ahead run didn't score because Konerko wasn't pinch run for and the Sox wound up losing? When Sierra came in, I was in the gamethread. Where were all the 2 or 3 moves ahead posters then? They sure did manage to find their way to posting AFTER the Sox didn't score and were looking to blame Robin for something.

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 06:02 AM) Back up the truck-whose talking about trading Sale and Abreu. The focus was on Alexi who will be turning 33 years old in September and his value will never be this high again Alexei is still a really good player. I know a lot of people would love the Sox to plug 3 or 4 rookies in the line up next year, but guess what, chances are if they did that, the team would really suck. I'm sure the Sox are trying to win. Unless blown away by an offer for Alexei, it makes little sense to peddle him just because people get excited about trades. It's about improving the team. Sanchez at SS over Alexei does not improve the team. The Charlotte Knights are stinking up AAA. They would be worse in the American League.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 06:18 AM) Are you Marty34 now? Trading players because their value is high is not how you go about trying to win.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 04:47 AM) He was too pissed off. Tip your waitress. Just remember, it is better to be pissed off than pissed on.

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 04:57 PM) He's at his peak value, I so hope we trade him. Can get a nice return for him. What worries me they will keep him due making Abreu feel more comfortable in the clubhouse . Abreu and Sale are about at peak value. Back up the truck.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 04:43 PM) Ventura's really bad strategically. He would have been a lot, lot better had he spent 5 years on a ML bench, managing in the minors, or something. Or posting on message boards. We know all the answers and can tell you what should have been done the moment the play ends. It is funny people who say lack of experience is the problem have all the answers with less experience.

Soxtalk a week ago...why is Flowers playing. Ventura's an idiot for playing him so much. Now he is an idiot for not using Flowers as a pinch hitter assuming 100% success if he did.

So it is Hawk and Wimpy in Detroit.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 03:48 PM) You are full of s*** for saying Robin should just sit there while two umpires approach his pitcher. They asked him to remove a rubberband. If Robin was hitting he would have asked to have him take it off as well.

It is too bad JR demanded the Sox carry a mascot this year. This would have been a perfect time to have Matt Davidson pinch fan for Conor.

Tank fans. f*** you Robin.

OMG somebody tell Robin Paulie is just a mascot.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 03:42 PM) I'm full of s*** for expressing an opinion? All I did was posted a comment that Robin as the manager should have come out of the dugout as soon as the home plate ump motioned to the other ump and they both approached his pitcher. I just figure almost any manager would want to come out and see what's going on. I don't appreciate your personal attack calling me full of s***. I thought you were better than that. You are ful of s*** for saying Robin needs to show his players he has their backs when the umpires are asking a pitcher to remove a rubberband.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 03:32 PM) Again, all I blamed Robin for was not going out to find out what was going on and to give his pitcher a little support and show his players he's into the game and has their backs. I didn't blame him nor imply he was to blame for any of the pitches Beli threw. If you inferred that I did you are mistaken. Some here seem to think Robin never does anything less than perfectly. Still, you are full of s***. Robin's players know he has their backs.

Fien isn't fooling anyone.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 03:27 PM) He does...but his acquisitions that bombed were part of the problem. Attempting to remedy that would be nice. It isn't going to get fixed now.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 03:26 PM) Yes it was entirely Robin's fault that he didn't come out of the dugout until Beli motioned to Herm/Robin. Unless of course someone in the dugout was holding Robin back but they didn't show that on TV. Not blaming Belisario's subsequent wildness on Robin but I am saying that Robin should not have just sat on his ass passively in the dugout while two umps stopped the game and approached his pitcher without immediately going out there to find out WTF is happening and give his player a little moral support. For the love of God, Beli is a grown man.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 03:22 PM) "watching" on gameday, which indicated a lineout in the 6th, but also a K and a soft groundout. The Sox TV crew was commenting on how Carroll was starting to leave the ball up.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 03:20 PM) it's definitely robin's fault I went out for lunch Friday and when I came back to my office, I realized they screwed up my order. I am pretty certain Robin had something to do with it.

Carlton Fisk was awesome at picking up short hops and making tags. The Sox don't have Carlton Fisk.