Dick Allen

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 6, 2014 -> 02:01 PM) Why would the Rockies not give him a shot? He's out of options, but even if they picked him up and he was horrid, they could always try to send him down expose him to waivers and someone would take him off their hands. They just must think he's toast.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 6, 2014 -> 01:40 PM) What a weird deal. He had NO clue he was that close to the fence. I know people are going to call him reckless, etc. but I don't think he had any idea he was going to hit the fence. You could see he had just then taken a step to start a jump right as he crashed into it. He had miscalculated the distance of the fence by at least 5-8 feet. I hope he's okay. I haven't seen a play like that, where the guy is unaware of the fence, since I was playing high school baseball When I played CF in HS, we had a game where they had a snow fence as the wall. I was going back for a ball and didn't realize I was that close as there is no warning track, as I ran into the fence, I somehow hit the ball with my glove, which kept the ball in play, but I went flying over the fence. Our LF came running over to get the ball laughing his ass off. I think the batter wound up getting a homer anyway. Getting back over it was a problem. I think it was about 4 and a half feet high. I was so pissed I just stepped on it.

Here are some funny quotes from Dunn today: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...806-story.html#

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 6, 2014 -> 12:12 PM) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/adam-dunn-as-a-pitcher/ An awkwardly detailed breakdown with lots of gifs and charts, lol. The pressure is on the hitter when a guy like Dunn is in during a blowout. First off, even Pete Rose wouldn't be as dialed in with the score 15-0. Then you are facing a guy you are supposed to hammer and if he gets you out, especially if it's weak, guys will be on you for a while. So you have the double whammy of less intensity and higher expectation. The last couple of nights would make you forget, but even during BP, guys don't hit every meatball hard. I bet the guys that hit against Dunn, even the ones who did reach, would rather face a pitcher in that situation.

Watching him look at the runners was awesome.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 6, 2014 -> 10:37 AM) Thats Ozzie Guillen territory!!!! He can become the greatest manager of all time if he throws enough position players on the mound in blowouts. Each run they allow, Robin becomes smarter.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 6, 2014 -> 07:32 AM) In the last six games, the Sox are 3-3 with a run differential of -24. By your calculations, that makes him one of the greatest managers ever, to pull off a .500 record out of such a Pythagoreanly horrible team. Yes, because of being out scored 32-3 the last 2 games, the White Sox are now +2 from where they are supposed to be on the season using that formula.

Actually, the team ERA when he was gone was below 3.00 or right around it, until he came back, although I'm not sure he was there for last night's debacle. I thought I saw Thiggy on the phone in the dugout before I watched something else. They have given up 51 runs the last 43 innings.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 6, 2014 -> 09:10 AM) I don't think there's anything wrong with stating that Baez has the look of a boom or bust prospect, but he will definitely be given every chance to prove himself. I think of a guy like Chris Carter, who also put up really good numbers in the minors but had better walk and strikeout rates. He's also a 1B, but he's been incredibly mediocre as a pro. Chris Carter was also in A ball when he was Baez's age.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 08:36 PM) That comp has been around for the last two years, as they compare the bat speed. He's a different type of hitter, but his stance and swing remind me of Julio Franco a little bit.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 07:22 PM) Your strawman wasn't good enough this time. But there was no strawman. You just imagined one. Again. All I said was if Courtney Hawkins puts up Javier Baez numbers next year in AAA, the posters here would want to see him in Chicago, and no one would be saying he's a bust waiting to happen.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 10:11 AM) Because no one on Soxtalk has talked about Hawkins unsustainable K rates... What does that have to do with what I posted?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 03:23 PM) I think he actually intended on having Jones replace Reed and then using Belisario in a middle reliever/setup role. Jones got hurt and then subsequently got hurt again. I still think Jones would be a good closer, but it'll obviously be a while before we can ever find out (and we may never find out). I've always liked Jones, but was actually kind of surprised he has never recorded a save. I would have sworn he had 4 or 5.

If Hahn used FIP like has been suggested, he replaced Reed with Belisario. He replaced a 3.17 FIP with a 3.64 FIP and paid an extra $2.5 million. I'm guessing he didn't use FIP.

One thing we won't know is if an AL contender claimed him, would the Yankees have let him go?

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 01:28 PM) If a player is Designated for Assignment, is that similar to reconcilable waivers, meaning, if a player is DFA'd, and then claimed, the player's current team can simply turn him over to the new team OR work out a trade? Because you cannot make a trade without exposing them to waivers it is pretty much the same right now, but they have 10 days to do something. But before the deadline being DFA'd doesn't neccessarily mean you will hit the waiver wire.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 01:27 PM) So basically you don't want to say anything except other people have no idea what they are talking about? I'm still curious as to how you know what is a good bullpen without hindsight? I looked at the FIP numbers, and then I looked at the White Sox current ERAs. It was pretty simple it wasn't accurate. How come you don't give Chisoxfn any grief for what he posted about FIP? I also doubt Hahn used FIP as the key to building his bullpen.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 01:27 PM) So basically you don't want to say anything except other people have no idea what they are talking about? I'm still curious as to how you know what is a good bullpen without hindsight? Why don't you give us the correct answer?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 01:21 PM) So should we stop treating people for cancer until we find a cure that works every time? No, you use all of the best info you can, Dick. Why wouldn't you? All the poster did was cite some low FIPs to try to find an indicator of what Hahn might have seen in these guys. Does finding guys with high strikeouts, low walks, and low homeruns sound like a bad starting point for building a bullpen? As someone who lost his mom to cancer, I have some thoughts on cancer treatments in the US. I read the Sox shouldn't spend a lot of money on relievers because their performance varies from year to year, so why would FIP apply?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 01:17 PM) So, how? Why don't you tell me. The only thing I am blaming Hahn for is the Reed trade. I admitted I like the Beli signing. But many gang up on me and start making things up, how I think the Sox should max the payroll out... all I said was Hahn made a bad trade and keeping a $538k reliever would have had this team in contention.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 01:11 PM) So how do you build a bullpen? Not by looking at their FIP. If FIP is a more accurate predictor of the future, exactly what period is it predicting? It is always changing. Another way is not trading your young cheap good relievers away for .198 hitting, weak fielding AAA strikeout machines.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 01:05 PM) But it is MORE accurate. As with anything, smaller sample data begets less reliable predictions, and relievers always have small sample data. So if you're saying something along the lines of "yeah, I'm not going to look much into results at all when projecting these guys, I'd rather go with scouting," I think that's a perfectly defensible claim. But if a guy IS going to try to use results to project, the fact that the guy is using FIP instead of something else is nothing to balk at because it is, in fact, among the most reliable indicators we have available to us. Who cares if it is MORE accurate if it isn't accurate?

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 12:53 PM) Using ERA to value relievers is dumb as dirt. If you're a reliever and you come in with the bases loaded and you give up a grand salami in your inning of work your ERA is 9. If you give up a triple in your inning your ERA is zero. Those things happen all the time. FIP is MUCH better to use for relievers. As Eminor said it's more predictive than ERA, that's a fact you cannot dispute, it's like the Earth revolving around the sun. I am not the world's biggest supporter of DIPS theory but you can't argue that FIP is worse than ERA for relievers, no freaking way. I agree with reliever ERA's. One or two really bad outings can really effect them. But that doesn't mean FIP is accurate .

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 12:30 PM) Because if you read the thread the worry was it would carry over to penalties in a game of which I responded he has no history of it. It was part of a conversation than lasted more than one post. Even though Bennett has never had a personal foul in a regular season game, discipline is discipline. And that's not to say he isn't a 15 yard penalty at the wrong time waiting to happen, and an ejection away from hurting the Bears offense. But if the goal is to win a Super Bowl, body slamming the team's #1 pick isn't going to be tolerated, and shouldn't be.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 5, 2014 -> 11:24 AM) Or its easier to send a message to the team that even a respected Vet can be punished for behavior they dont think fits a contending team. Theories abound even with the hard evidence he's never done that in a game, ever. So what if he hasn't done it in a game. He bodyslammed his teammate, a guy the Bears need. What if he fractured his clavicle? The boys will be boys defense wouldn't work. Putting an end to it before something like that happens is the goal.