Dick Allen

Back 15-20 years ago, every time a guy fouled a ball off his foot or was hit in the hand by a pitch, a trainer would spray him with some sort of freezing agent. How come they don't do that any longer?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 23, 2014 -> 10:42 AM) To get Afflalo and Melo, we have to get rid of pretty much everyone that's not a starter on the roster. Mirotic is a big trade chip in that scenario. At my health club, for the past few weeks they have had some guys doing drills on the basketball court. McDermott was there for a while. Adrien Payne has been there the entire time. Yesterday, Mirotic was there. I really don't know if it has been a secretive Bulls thing or what.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 04:18 PM) Well, except for the whole power thing. Yet his OPS is higher than Beltre and Longoria.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 10:57 AM) What evidence is there for him being mediocre at best now? He seems to have transitioned from being an elite reliever to merely a very good one. JJ Putz SIERA: 2010 - 2.30 2011 - 2.46 2012 - 2.29 2013 - 3.24 2014 - 3.27 If you want to take a SIERA for 13 innings this year, where he is getting knocked around, fine, but then stop giving us updates on how great Surkhamp is, because, well, he sucks.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 22, 2014 -> 10:28 AM) Ah, hadn't seen there was a buyout. Either way, I'd have Putz over Carroll, for now and the future. Elbow issues last year, elbow issues this year. Father Time catches everyone. He is mediocre at best now, and durability will be another issue. For this season, why bother? Moving on, you can always sign him in the offseason if you must have him. Carroll can go several innings. Putz one at a time.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jun 21, 2014 -> 04:17 PM) Adam seems to be pressing in these type of ABs.....I still think it would help him out quite a bit if they'd get the contract extension done soon. I agree, and they shouldn't wait until he retires to unveil the statue.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 21, 2014 -> 04:12 PM) PK should of hit for Nieto . Of course. 20 minutes later.

Paulie has the grecian formula working on his goatee.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 21, 2014 -> 12:52 PM) With Taj being told he's gonna start it's obvious they will amnesty Boozer, that's 15M off the books. Do you really think they're just gonna sit on that? They always try to do something, but this year it looks like they will do something even if they have to overpay. A post a while back said too bad they don't play the NBA season in the summer, and they are right. The Bulls would be a top destination. Who wants to spend their winters here?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 21, 2014 -> 12:36 PM) That my head tells me the only thing that will be interesting is how many pages of disagreement we get before the Bulls sign Mirotic, make 2 draft picks, and call it an offseason. Chad Ford did say Mirotic would be a top 6 guy in this draft. One way or another the Bulls will bring in a big name IMO. They have to.. Business as usual is not going to work.

What is the purpose of acquiring Putz? You can't trade him for anything and he won't be a part of the future.i will always be amazed at how popular other teams' crap is on this board. I know the whole doesn't cost much thing, Coop will fix him, and maybe there is a chance of that happening, but it is slim. And keep in mind, every minute Coop or the staff spend trying to fix these past their prime guys is a minute not spent on a player that might have a shot at helping the team. Hopefully someday, the Sox will have enough legit prospects where guys like Putz aren't thread-worthy.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 21, 2014 -> 06:24 AM) That is more JR and KW than Hahn. Wrong.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 04:37 PM) At the deadline, having an expiring option, might allow the Knicks to acquire someone via trade (without having to go to the FA market). For example, if Durant were to come on the block (not saying realistic) this off-season, then you could acquire him and then give a lot of young assets back + Boozer to make things work and then the Thunder get financial flexibility + young assets going forward (otherwise they'd get stuck with another contract to bloat things). So in a final year of a deal, at the trade deadline, Boozer's contract actually becomes a good chip for a team looking to deal a player with a LT contract for future cap savings. Didn't think of that, but another thing to consider is the Knicks are tax offenders, and paid a $35milion penalty this year. Even if Melo walks they are over the cap and Boozer's money or if he is dealt for a similar salarycould trigger a repeat offender tax, which would make the actual cost of acquring him close to $40 million if not more.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 04:18 PM) It's an expiring contract. Forgive me for my ignorance, but why would that be worth paying Boozer vs. just having another guy they can renounce after the season?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 04:13 PM) The other side of the coin is, how does everyone react if Melo walks away, for nothing? So paying Boozer $15 miilion saving a rival from having to, just for a mid first round pick, is better than just letting him walk? This is too good to be true.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 03:46 PM) That would still leave the Bulls with this year's first round pick, Mirotic, Gibson, Butler etc. Subtracting Melo for Boozer? My god. Talk about too good to be true. Too good to be true usually is. Phil would get skewered in NYC of he settled for Boozer and a pick in the second half of round 1 all while helping the Bulls. Some seats in MSG are over $1000 a game.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 10:45 AM) Williams always wanted to go for it. I think the reason they went to Hahn at that point in time was because they did realize they wanted to rebuild and did not want Williams at the helm. Williams never had the patience as a GM to build for the long haul, and he had plenty of opportunities to do so. The timing was off for that. KW started giving up the GM reins during the 2012 season. It was noted Hahn was doing more of the conversing than KW, and soon after the season ended, Hahn became the GM. Williams, however, remains very involved. Things would have been different, but I don't think significantly. The line has always been they build consensus over the years. I'm sure that hasn't changed. Maybe the weight of opinions has changed.

Supposedly Zumaya had the same injury. He never pitched in the major leagues again. Of course he had several issues, so who really knows what Floyd's ultimate fate is here.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 10:31 AM) He had a tumor in his humerus that needed to be frozen and removed. So his arm was weakened to begin with. The other one that comes to mind is a pitcher for the Marlins and Angels, I think. Was it Joe Saunders or Tony Saunders. Something like that. Tom Browning as well, but pretty rare.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 09:30 AM) While they play in a big market, I'm not sure I would call the Sox a big market team. The vast majority of this market belongs to the Cubs, let's face it. With nearly 10 million (9.5 estimated) people in the whole metro area, what percentage of those people do you think are actual Sox fans? It isn't like a one team town where they can count the whole market as "fans". If you say 2/3 Cubs, 1/3 Sox, that cuts your number to about 3 million people, which is half of the Houston metro area. KC is 2.3 million metro area. Minneapolis is 3.5 million. Detroit is 3.7 million. Guess what, there is some validity in those comps. Again, I think because of 2005, some people are way overestimating the fan base. Attendance is down from the 2005 levels, but if you cut out the two big historical anomalies in the WS and the opening of the new park, attendance is at a pretty high historical level. I think there is some room to come back from what happened last year, but in general, historically if this team goes over 2 million fans, that is a pretty good number. I wouldn't say 2/3 Cubs fans,and if they are, that is on White Sox management. The Cubs have been horrible for a long time. Also, the media markets are totally different. What is the metro population of Milwaukee? Look at their attendance. They are in the find a reason to go mode. Sox fans are the opposite. I think winning seasons will do it, but it's going to have to be several, because you have to take the excuse that you just knew the team would fall apart the last 2 weeks as the reason you wouldn't go to games in the summer when they were in first place away. Every time they take away an excuse, a new one pops up.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 09:26 AM) Again, I agree with most of it, but I wouldn't see it as a very slim chance he goes #1 or #2. He was the consensus number 1 prospect heading into this year, had a year which was seen as relatively disappointing and still was considered by most as the #2 prospects, sliding to #3 after a surprise pick at #2, in what was considered a good draft. In fact, the fact that his leverage is way lower as a senior makes it even more likely he'd go #1 or #2, you'd get a premium talent and the probability of an underslot deal. I'm nitpicking really, I agree with the premise that he should sign. That was my point. He would pretty much have to go 1 or 2 to get anywhere near what the Sox will give him this year. A lot can go wrong. One thing which I just read a couple of days ago, the White Sox could collapse, get one of those top picks, and would need Rodon's permission to draft him again. They probably wouldn't bother. Wite's not always right, but his odds of Rodon signing with the White Sox before July 18th are correct IMO. It makes zero sense not to sign, you just have to go through the Boras song and dance for a while.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 08:49 AM) Just heard that he fractured it throwing a pitch. That is one really strong reconstruction when the bone fails before the replaced ligament does. Interesting. Is it possible a reconstruction can be too strong, causing something like this?

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 12:57 AM) They really aren't. Sox can make payroll just from the comcast and national tv deals. You out of towners should focus on other things that sox HOME attendance. So you are saying the Sox are fine with 7 years declining attendance and declining viewership on television because they can make payroll? You are satisfied with the once every 5 or 6 years they make the playoffs. The fact is attendance is not where it should be, and it is not just on the White Sox, the fanbase has been ridiculous. It's one of those chicken/egg arguments, is the ridiculousness because of White Sox management or does White Sox management have to act like they are operating in KC because of the fanbase? I think it's a lot of both myself. This team should have the means to make a mockery of the ALC division. They have advantages the others do not. The White Sox are a large market team with a pretty small market mentality right now. And their fans will always find some excuse not to attend games.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 06:11 PM) Wow. Bowden is terrible. What a preposterously light return for Price that would be. It does seem light especially considering Bowden's reputation when he was a GM. He was known for demanding ridiculous prices for his players.

Basically trading Rodon for de Oca and the #4 pick next year is a horrible trade.