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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 08:05 PM) Yeah, but I think that affected his career with the Angels...by the time he came here, he was more of a "suspect" than prospect, although anyone drafted that high gets a lot of chances to prove himself. The one thing I will always remember about McKay was I went to a twi night DH against TB in 1999. The first game was a make up and there were probably 125 people in the stands. We arrived in the top of the first and as soon as we walked into the concourse over by the 3rd base side, we could hear Christensen calling for a flyball in CF. It was like going to a HS game and it was cold.

I went to spring training in 2006 and loved watching Donny Lucy during infield drills. Maybe if I had seen him hit I would have thought differently, but I thought he had a shot.

QUOTE (SoIL @ Sep 15, 2011 -> 07:05 PM) The more you look back at 2005 (with how Pods/Iguchi/small ball have been overstated despite the 200+ homers)...the one thing that seems impossible to replicate ever again was the success and virtual lockdown quality of that bullpen. That bullpen was incredibly good. There were lots of homers, but I seem to also remember a lot of first inning runs where Pods got on base and was driven home in some fashion. Getting an early lead is almost always a good thing. If my memory serves, we had a lot of low scoring games that year too. The one thing they haven't been able to replicate is the dominance of the AL Central. They killed people that year.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 10:36 PM) Speaking of accountability...Gardenhire b****ed all season about the call ups not knowing the fundamentals. The Twins just fired some of their AAA coaches. That's a stretch. They are supposed to learn fundamentals when they get to AAA?

If the Sox released Dunn, they wouldn't owe him the balance of his contract on the spot. They would pay it when the guaranteed contract states it will be paid or he'd agree to a buyout.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 08:07 AM) Because no other baseball team in the majors brings back old players to offseason gatherings. What a joke. No other team makes a big deal about it in the middle of September.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 14, 2011 -> 04:42 PM) I dont get that feeling. Mark would pitch for us regardless of who the manager was. I agree. It makes no sense not pitching for the team that you've been with your whole career because Ozzie or Cooper aren't around, to go pitch for another team where Ozzie or Cooper aren't around. If the money is right and the Sox aren't rebuilding, either or both of those guys being gone isn't going to be a factor in MB's decision.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 10:18 PM) It would be nice to see our guys outdominate an ace once in a while. Like maybe we beat Verlander 5-0 somehow at home once in a blue moon. Historically the Sox are about .500 vs. Verlander. They used to kill him.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 10:16 PM) This is a big game? This game is huge. The Sox are fighting for their playoff lives.

I think they should concentrate on bringing some big names into Soxfest taking everyone's attention off of what probably will be very little they do with the roster.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 10:12 PM) Tyler Flowers is pretty freaking awful. He needs Tim Laker to help him out again, as his swing is significantly longer than it was when he was promoted. He was on a hot streak when he came up. He was striking out at a pretty alarming rate for a 25 year old in his 3rd year in AAA up until a couple weeks before his call up. He's always going to have problems with a long swing.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 09:54 PM) All I was saying is Ozzie should not rip the White Sox or Jerry in his Marlins' press conference, but he could at least explain his hatred of KW, which is what ultimately would be the reason he gets let go if he gets let go. What's wrong with that? And this is my take on why he basically is unwilling to listen to KW at all. Oz IMO thinks he's better than Kenny; I think that is a decent take. That would be real classy, and we all know, Ozzie is nothing but classy.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 09:50 PM) I hope you are not one of those who think Ozzie is the only problem child on this horrible baseball team and franchise which appears to have not much talent in the minor league system. It's too easy to just blame Ozzeroo. He's not the problem he's the solution. This team is losing despite having perhaps the greatest manager in the game. Loria is going to go broke buying WS championship rings when he brings in Ozzie. Ozzie's greatness is not questioned, I just wonder how you can think a team can finish below .500 with Ozzie at the helm? It doesn't seem possible to me. Ozzie is too good.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 09:39 PM) Man the Sox stink. Back under .500 after tonight. I'd think they'd stay under the rest of the year. At least the Sox have a few hits off Verlander. Why would they stay there? Ozzie is the manager.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 09:36 PM) It didn't happen like that. The report out of Venezuela was wrong. Still, Dunn got more money than Martinez. If KW gave Victor the contract instead of Dunn, Dunn probably only has Detroit to go to.

If the Sox don't come back tonight, and lose tomorrow, they will have to win out and Detroit will have to lose the rest they play. The playoffs are not looking good.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 09:24 PM) Let's see if Ozzie is a man of his word and keeps quiet if he leaves http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,1570904.story Does Ozzie remember the crap he spewed the last time he left?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 09:20 PM) That can't be true, or he would have taken the White Sox deal if he really wanted to play for Ozzie. Rational/logical decision-making would say that he could get well oer $2 million+ in 2014 for his services. Maybe there was deferred money or something like that, or maybe he didn't want to play for Ozzie. Funny thing is if the Sox gave Martinez what they gave Dunn, Dunn probably winds up a Tiger.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 09:15 PM) Lost out on Damon, Cabrera and Martinez because of a dearth of prospects and/or the willpower to get a deal done. You wonder how serious they were about Victor, or if it was one of their "token" offerings like to Rowand or Torii Hunter in which they had a 90-95% certainty they'd come up short but still gets brownie points for trying? The report said the Sox offered 3 years $48 million and Detroit signed him for 4 years $50 million. If it was a token offer, and the report was accurate, they were playing with fire.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 09:02 PM) The irony as well, both Martinez and Cabrera are Venezuelan. And yet Ozzie seemingly never wanted Martinez. Sure, we already had AJ, but by this point in his career, nobody was looking at Victor as more than a back-up/emergency catcher. I pasted a link on another thread, before the Sox signed Dunn they supposedly offered Martinez $48 million for 3 years. He took Detroit's 4 year offer for a couple million more.

Floyd with another Peavyesque performance. Looks like its going to be good for 5 innings, then the roof caves in.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 06:28 PM) Aren't you dissin' your boy with this post? Absolutely not. Flowers is older than Beckham and swings and misses a lot. Unfortunately, contrary to Soxtalk consensus, the greatest hitting coach who ever lived could not make everyone a great hitter. Flowers has had a tough time making contact. If he doesn't figure out how to make more of it, he's not going to be very good.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 04:15 PM) If they can find someone who would take AJ's full salary, then going with that wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. He's still got an OPS comparable to AJ's despite the low batting average, and there's reason to believe he can get better from here too. Is the reason to believe he will get better the same reason Josh Fields and Jerry Owens were only going to get better?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 05:32 PM) Or we could have won the division if the GM didn't bring in overpaid stiffs like Dunn and Rios. And waste so much money on Peavy. KW's one sentence in the media how Ozzie was allowed to bench the zillionaires was MASTERFUL in making KW look good. Totally shifted the blame from KW to Oz. Good job, Kenny. If you believe in reality of sports you understand why Ozzie plays Dunn and Rios. Teams have played guys because of their contracts. KW publicly stated that Ozzie didn't have to do that. If privately its something different, why isn't the honest Ozzie popping off about it? Ozzie hasn't been playing Dunn much lately in case you haven't noticed, then when there is a situation where perhaps the Sox can win a game doesn't pinch hit for him vs a LHP whom Adam is hitting .037 against because suddenly in Ozzie's opinion, Dunn has to earn his paycheck. Maybe if Ozzie wasn't so all over the place it would be one thing, but his inconstency shows on a daily basis. The Marlins will spend millions constructing new trophy cases if they bring him in, as Frank Thomas would say, no doubt about it, but his time here is up, and the White Sox will be better for it when he and his knucklehead nemisis KW hit the road.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 04:52 PM) @MDGonzales: Oz said his family is ready for everything So if Ozzie leaves town, Oney is going with him? But Oney says he has his own money, and his own job.