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Floyd with another Peavyesque performance. Looks like its going to be good for 5 innings, then the roof caves in.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 06:28 PM) Aren't you dissin' your boy with this post? Absolutely not. Flowers is older than Beckham and swings and misses a lot. Unfortunately, contrary to Soxtalk consensus, the greatest hitting coach who ever lived could not make everyone a great hitter. Flowers has had a tough time making contact. If he doesn't figure out how to make more of it, he's not going to be very good.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 04:15 PM) If they can find someone who would take AJ's full salary, then going with that wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. He's still got an OPS comparable to AJ's despite the low batting average, and there's reason to believe he can get better from here too. Is the reason to believe he will get better the same reason Josh Fields and Jerry Owens were only going to get better?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 05:32 PM) Or we could have won the division if the GM didn't bring in overpaid stiffs like Dunn and Rios. And waste so much money on Peavy. KW's one sentence in the media how Ozzie was allowed to bench the zillionaires was MASTERFUL in making KW look good. Totally shifted the blame from KW to Oz. Good job, Kenny. If you believe in reality of sports you understand why Ozzie plays Dunn and Rios. Teams have played guys because of their contracts. KW publicly stated that Ozzie didn't have to do that. If privately its something different, why isn't the honest Ozzie popping off about it? Ozzie hasn't been playing Dunn much lately in case you haven't noticed, then when there is a situation where perhaps the Sox can win a game doesn't pinch hit for him vs a LHP whom Adam is hitting .037 against because suddenly in Ozzie's opinion, Dunn has to earn his paycheck. Maybe if Ozzie wasn't so all over the place it would be one thing, but his inconstency shows on a daily basis. The Marlins will spend millions constructing new trophy cases if they bring him in, as Frank Thomas would say, no doubt about it, but his time here is up, and the White Sox will be better for it when he and his knucklehead nemisis KW hit the road.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 04:52 PM) @MDGonzales: Oz said his family is ready for everything So if Ozzie leaves town, Oney is going with him? But Oney says he has his own money, and his own job.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 05:20 PM) Yeah you win. Cooper sucks. Get rid of him too. Just keep Walker and rebuild around him. I'm glad you see the light.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 04:47 PM) The point with Betemit is the one and only thing he could do relatively well was hit. But with the Sox, he couldn't even do that. Just another of Walker's failed students. Danks, Floyd, Contreras, Buerhle, Jackson, Vazquez, Jenks, Thornton, Linebrink, Dotel, Koch, Wells, Colon, Loaisa, Peavy, all they could do is pitch and all have gone through extended slumps, at least the pitching equivalent of 50 AB. Its time to get rid of Cooper.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 04:36 PM) No, it doesn't ruin my post. Paulie went through other periods of extended slumps after 2003. And Paulie did learn a lot because of those extended slumps which is a credit to him. He probably learned more from those slumps than from Walker and look at what he had to go through before he finally figured it out. Although I wouldn't credit Walker with Paulie's current success, even if you insist on doing so it would prove the exception to the rule. Walker has a track record of watching his hitters go through extended slumps. Walker's body of work includes the sub-par results from his hitters like Rios, Dunn, Swisher, Betemit, Uribe, Beckham ..... Name one player who doesn't go through an extended slump. Just one. How about guys like Thome, Dye, Rowand, Podsednik, Quentin, Crede, AJP didn't drop off, Uribe snapped back after being horrid in Colorado, then he slipped, then snapped back then slipped again. Iguchi was pretty good, Ramirez, despite what some will tell you about his expectations, won a Silver Slugger while making a little over $1 million a year. I believe the expectations weren't that or he would have been paid a lot more. I posted something earlier, but in the 8 seasons Walker was the hitting coach, it might shock you to know, the White Sox offense was ranked higher in the league than the White Sox pitching 4 times. I guarantee the Sox spend more money on pitchers per average salary than position players.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 04:20 PM) I think it's time to consider most of the remaining games 'must wins'. I agree. We have to keep an eye on Cleveland. I hope Hawk will keep us posted on their score tonight, but this game tonight is big.

A loss tonight would really hurt the Sox playoff chances.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 03:54 PM) Yeah, he really helped Paul Konerko alright. He watched him go through a couple off horrendous half-season long slumps until he "figured it out." What a genius that Walker is. You do realize Walker took over halfway through 2003 don't you? Kind of ruins your post.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 02:29 PM) I kinda agree with what you're saying as long as you're not expecting a quick-fix. Like Balta said, you're probably looking at guys in low A/High A with risk but a ton of upside. So either way, you're going to have a lot of question marks in the rotation next year and in 2013. You'll just have a better long-term inventory. Cooper is here, every pitcher should be good, right?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 02:42 PM) And he told these stories to sell a book, which isn't exactly the most noble of reasons to spill his beans. He has needed money for a while, which is why he continues with side projects at all times too, including boxing and independent baseball leagues. If he doesn't need money, do these every get told? When it comes to speaking about players who used steroids, I trust Canseco. When it comes to the effects of steroids, it's harder to trust one source who has likely embellished quite a bit to sell books. You trust him? Really? The guy who said Clemens didn't uses steroids and is one guy who would never cheat on his wife? Then its later revealed Clemens gave him hush money. Canseco is a whore. You can have lunch with him for $100.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 10:46 AM) From Jim Margalus: What's interesting in the article is the link to a conversation he had with Carlton Fisk about hitting coaches.

Just found this. The consolation prize wasn't good. Victor Martinez is leaving the Red Sox for the Detroit Tigers, having accepted a four-year deal worth $50 million. The story was broken out of Venezuela this morning by Ignacio Serrano of El Nacional. Serrano reported that Martinez was offered four years and $48 million from the Orioles and three years and $48 million from the White Sox. Why he would take $12.5 million a year from Detroit and pass up $16 million a year from Chicago isn't clea I'd guess the reason he didn't take the Sox cash is there probably were some stipulations or deferred money or some other things.

The fact that Dunn never picked up a bat in the offseason I think speaks volumes. Maybe getting away for a little while is good, but who is to say if he did some offseason baseball work he might have been a .280 guy with a.420 OBP and hit 50 homers a year? His offseason routine, which I don't know if the White Sox had any inkling of before they signed him, shows, at least to me, the guy was satisfied with what he was and really didn't either care or wasn't willing to put more work in to be better. That's a red flag. So if they did know...................... Also didn't the Sox initially go after Victor Martinez?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2011 -> 08:08 AM) Its a scary trend that many times Kenny has brought in a veteran with a history of success, they have failed here. You can throw Javy Vazquez on to that list as well. That doesn't speak well for Ozzie. Thome worked out well. Dye was good. Cabrera was an ass, but did what he always did. I don't think you can pin all the failure on Ozzie. KW pops off "Chicago tough" all the time. How stoned does one have to be not be be able to see that whatever "Chicago tough" is, Alex Rios is not? I think a little friction between the manager and GM isn't a bad thing, but there has been too much for too long. I hope JR doesn't pick one or decide to give it another year.

Its certainly not his eyes. He and the rest of the Sox get those checked. He's just not ready to hit most of the time. You just hope its mental, because if its because his body as irreversably slowed down, and he can't get to average fastballs anymore, JR made a larger donation than Alex and Ursula Snelious ever would.

Coop will fix 'em.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 10:12 PM) Well, I personally think we've had a ton of players have bad years. I think our pitching again has been overrated. The starters were excellent for a long time, however. I think the team has had very very bad hitting (not Ozzie's fault really), the team is very very slow on the basepaths (not Ozzie's fault), the team cannot bunt (Ozzie deserves 80 percent of the blame there), some very poor relief performances when it mattered (not Ozzie's fault). But why will all those types of problems not occur in Miami if Ozzie is the manager? They happen here, I think they can happen anywhere.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 10:17 PM) I guess there is a better chance to over achieve there were under achieving is more common. There really is no reason to retain any of these coaches. Cooper seems to only have short term success. Its time for some sort of overhaul. This current arrangement isn't working. If its only Ozzie or only KW, you're just delaying the inevitable, because next offseason changes will have to be made. I still maintain maybe JR steps back, someone takes over being the Chairman and they can make the hard decisions if he won't. The partners can't be happy their profit margin is taking a hit.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 10:15 PM) That was depressing. I left when it was 14-2. I missed Morel's homers. I'd say 80 percent of the fans in the stands after the 6th inning were Tiger fans.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 10:11 PM) Morel again to center ! Another 2 HR game ! Huge homers. Sign him to a Longoria deal before its too late. I do hope this does translate into something next season. Last year's September longballs didn't. Maybe he just needed a full season, or maybe guys don't care if he hits it 400 feet when they are up by 11.

Ozzie's learning on the job right now. If he goes to the Marlins next year, he will be on the other side of these scores. I don't know what people are thinking wanting him to leave. I guess they like 100 loss seasons.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 08:58 PM) If the story about Kenny blowing up at him are true, I can't imagine him wanting to come back to the Sox (provided Kenny remains GM). I assume that is what he means by using the early part of the offseason to decide- to see if Williams remains. I've left a job where I couldn't stand the environment only to take the same position for less money at a different company. I was much happier at the new place, and I'd do it again 100% of the time in a heartbeat. Walker is done with baseball if he leaves the Sox, he's stated that numerous times. I'd be shocked he would want to come back.