Dick Allen

The Sox are going to win this game. Book it, Danno.

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QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ May 20, 2010 -> 10:00 PM) And speaking of "boring", hold on - Teahen is at the plate! He supposedly is a real great guy, but he truly is one of the most boring players I've ever seen. There''s nothing to get excited about.

Even JR called the Division winning team of 2008 boring. They were boring the second half of 2006, boring in 2007, boring in 2008, boring in 2009 and maybe have even taken it up a notch in 2010. Something has to be done. This "I believe in the talent" BS needs to stop.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 20, 2010 -> 09:34 PM) The Fall of Beckham. What a sad story. He'll eventually snap out of this and be better for it.

Hawk needs to look at the schedule. I believe the Sox have only 1 more getaway day home game this year. I don't think the Angels are too worried about the long flight to St. Louis.

Randy Williams in. What are the odds of a walk?

QUOTE (fathom @ May 20, 2010 -> 09:24 PM) If he was playing in a smaller park, he'd have more home runs this season....like in Williamsport. If KW ever has to find someplace to go on Christmas, I'm sure the Teahen family will take him in, considering the $15 million gift he handed them.

The offense has been pitiful. Maybe the Sox just can't project offensive performance. Nick Johnson was a KW target this past offseason, and he was terrible before going down again. Matsui was a consideration and he's been horrid. If the Sox would have signed them and they performed the same way it would be because of Walker. Of course, if you have to score 7 runs to win, you aren't going to win many games. I think people forgot that last year's team was bad offensively but Thome was fairly solid and Dye was tremendous in the first half. The team hasn't been good enough from the start and KW and JR and OG have no one to blame but themselves.

I don't understand this rotating DH. Shouldn't Rios be given a breather by DHing? He's one of the few the Sox have that is a threat at the plate at the current time. He played almost every game when he was in Toronto, I'm sure he's not tired.

QUOTE (hogan873 @ May 20, 2010 -> 06:16 AM) Even Hawk is thoroughly disgusted. He's said a few times recently that the defense has been "at best, bad". If it wasn't for Nix's TWO errors on one play, Konerko's homer ties the game in the ninth. But, like you said, TCQ and Alexei choked as usual. You simply cannot build a team around pitching and have a bad defensive team. It won't work. It has never worked. Until the White Sox put some importance on defense and getting on base we will get the annual "I believe in the talent" speeches from KW signalling dissappointing results.

Hawk has had some curious slip ups tonight. I hope he's OK. I sure hope if KW doesn't seem to care about offense next year he helps his pitching staff by acquiring some defense.

I still thinkl greg775 was on to something. Trade Ozzie for Piniella. Ozzie can manage in the NL. Lou doesn't have to watch pitchers hit, just guys who hit like pitchers hit. Neither would have to move. Neither would be held accountable if their new team goes nowhere. It could spark both teams.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2010 -> 09:20 AM) We could also throw in Nick Johnson who is hurt What a shock.

I don't see the value in starting over unless you have some top prospects. The White Sox really don't have those. You are not going to get top prospects unless you trade Peavy. Flowers will probably be a decent hitter. He'll have a fairly low AVG. with decent power and OBP. A poor man's Jim Thome.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ May 16, 2010 -> 08:27 PM) Yes, because the ONLY way Thornton would have gotten hurt was if by some chance the stars aligned and he had faced that exact hitter at that exact moment. Give me a break, quit reaching for s***. If he didn't pop something against that hitter he would have popped it the next time he warmed up. Complain about 90% of our team hitting 5 ERA....not stupid crap like that. I agree about the injury, but there really is zero reason to have Omar Vizquel sitting on the bench in a close game you are winning late when you have Mark Teahen playing 3B unless he's sick or something. If you don't use him then, he's a total waste of a roster spot.

BTW, Tyler Flowers in May: 163/.245/.442.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 16, 2010 -> 08:33 PM) Flowers will be the primary catcher here in the event of an A.J. trade anyway. You get a guy like Salty because he offers a nice combination of versatility and uncharted potential that an organization in our position can afford to take a chance on. I'm sorry, his time as a decent prospect has ended. Its actually real sad what's happening to him now because Texas was going to call him up, but he has the yips.

QUOTE (3E8 @ May 16, 2010 -> 08:21 PM) Gavin Floyd and Jose Contreras, what an apt comparison. One was an aging starter well past his prime making much more than he deserved, another a young pitcher entering what should be his best years signed to a very reasonable deal. According to Fangraphs, Floyd's value to the White Sox has been $30 million across the past two seasons. After today's game, Floyd's BABIP will be close to .400, which, if you're not aware, is abnormally high. It will be the highest or 2nd highest in MLB of any starter. More balls are falling for hits than usual considering the percentage of line drives, fly balls, and grounders he's given up. The BABIP will come back down to earth, as will Floyd's numbers. It would be foolish to give up on him now. But if you want to have a pointless thread to make sure we hate on all our underperforming players evenly in the middle of May, have at it. You were wrong years ago when you said Floyd was worthless, and seem to have trouble letting it go. His last 14 starts going back to last season he is 2-8 with a 5.97 ERA. And he's been worse this year. He was horrid the first 2 months of last year. How do you explain that? Is there some fangraphs thing that says that's worth $20 million? But you're right, look away, there's nothing to see here except the second coming of Roy Halladay. And BTW, his ERA can drop a couple full points and he still wouldn't be having a good season. If there are going to be posts and posts bashing Quentin and Beckham and AJ, there should be some bashing the others who aren't performing either.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 16, 2010 -> 08:13 PM) This organization has a nice history of gambling on "busted" top prospects. I see no use in changing that willingess to take chances. You guys do realize catcher is a pretty important position. There is a lot more involved than an .850 OPS. If you can't throw the ball back to the pitcher, you cannot catch. Tyler Flowers, God bless him, but if you call him up and suddenly he's not ready defensively and Peavy and Danks and Buerhle and Floyd and Garcia don't like throwing to him, its over. They will never want to throw to him. Last year it was get Thome out of here, get Contreras out of here things will be so much better. Funny how they are doing fine but the White Sox are not. It will be exactly the same if and when the Sox dump AJP. He is way more important than his batting average.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 16, 2010 -> 07:09 PM) Jeff Van Gundy saying the Bulls need more than LeBron to be a title contender falls into the same category as Avery Johnson saying that LeBron and Derrick Rose wouldn't be a good combo. That category being neither of them are going to get the Bulls job, so they are trying to talk them down. Once you know you aren't going to get the job, it's all about propaganda. Who's going to beat them in the East? Boston? Ha. Orlando? Ha. Nobody. There is nothing the Van Gumbys want more than LeBron to go to some place other than the Bulls so little brother still has a shot.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 16, 2010 -> 08:03 PM) If it's medical Herm will be on it, if it's mental get him shrink and let him DH or play 1b. This is a guy who offense has decline each year he's been in the major leagues. In 300 AB last year he hit 9 homers had a .290 OBP and struck out almost 100 times. He's not 1B or DH material unless you like 110 loss seasons. This issue is supposedly mental BTW. Improving the offense by acquiring even weaker hitters than what you already have has been tried by KW and OG, and it really hasn't worked out.

QUOTE (knightni @ May 16, 2010 -> 07:58 PM) Exactly why you take him off of Texas' hands. Because there is nothing more valuable than a catcher who can't throw the ball back to the pitcher without getting the CF, 2B,SS involved.

With all the ripping of the White Sox hitters and deservedly so, how come this guy gets a free pass? It most likely will be the second year in a row he's going to go into June with an ERA hovering around 7.00. Maybe he pitches better later, maybe not, but these games still count. If Jose Contreras put up the same numbers people would have been calling for the White Sox to eat his contract. Gavin has sucked this season.

Salty is having an issue throwing the ball back to the pitcher in AAA.