Dick Allen

I'm blaming Greg Walker for Linebrink being lit up.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 17, 2009 -> 09:02 PM) In Dye's earlier years, he battled a lot of injuries and teams eventually gave up on him, we came in, signed him cheap, and got one of the best FA signings in the past 10 years, I'd say. 1999,2000,2001 Dye played more games each season than he ever has in a season with the White Sox. The Braves traded him in a deal of prospects. The Royals traded him because of money. He fouled a pitch off his leg in Oakland and broke his leg. I think it was a playoff game. It affected him horribly. He was getting his act together a little bit with Oakland, started off very slowly with the Sox but took off. I wouldn't say he was injury prone, it was one real big one and a freakish one at that.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 17, 2009 -> 01:43 PM) Also, there's a million ways we could break this down statistically that would be unfavorable to the sox. Teams that were 30-34 or worse after 64 games that won the world series? Teams that even won more than 90 games after being 30-34 after 64 games? Do you see this team going 60-38 down the stretch? Or even 15 over? Why? And measuring things statistical is what we do in baseball, which is why my analogy is completely relevant - because whatever percentage probability we assign to the White Sox can be assigned to an analogous game situation. Whatever longshot pie-in-the-sky hopes you may have - if they don't stack up statistically, why on earth would we make dumb roster decisions because of them? Which stat do you want to go to next? How about the fact they are in a bad division and are 3.5 games out and Detroit is losing and there are 97 games left? Making the playoffs even if they do go down quickly, and that would still have to be determined, has huge benefits to the team. Extra gates may bring a better ballplayer to the team next year. Once again, it makes no sense to sit Quentin out if he wants to give it a shot. Worst case scenerio he has to have surgery. Well, he may have surgery anyway after the season and will be ready to go next year. I don't see how he is a dumb roster decision. Not trying to win a very winnable division would set this team back with their fanbase dramatically. Maybe not with you because apparently in your world there probably are only 3 or 4 teams that should try to win every season because statistically the odds are against the others. 1 out of 14 is a lot better than zero.

QUOTE (jenks45monster @ Jun 17, 2009 -> 11:00 AM) Am I the only one who thinks we should have traded Q last offseason when we could have pulled in a s***load for him? Let's face it, the guys an absolute monster when he's healthy, but he's has never been able to stay healthy. Teams that trade their best players usually don't win much.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 17, 2009 -> 10:51 AM) The problem is there is nothing that strength and condition could do to prevent the injuries he had. The torn labrum, the fractured wrist and the plantar fasciitis are not conditioning or weakness related injuries. That is the frustrating part. He is like Jim McMahon was for the Bears the elbow injury, the kidney laceration was nothing you could prevent. I'm sure this is what KW meant. Hard work and off season condition etc. would not have prevented any of CQ's injuries. I'm not implying they were. But, due to his propencity for getting injured, they are going to have to be sure he's always stretched, conditioned, etc. because he seems like a guy if even a day or two went by where it was a little lax, he probably would find the DL. At Quentin's age, some guys can get out of bed and play baseball. Others, even if they are in apparently terrific physical condition, which Quentin appears to be, need to go through a long routine to be ready. He seems to be long routine guy.

For everyone saying shut him down, the season is over, the Sox are 4 games out. Maybe there is a 0.01% chance they win it all if they make the playoffs, but why wouldn't shutting him down now instead of trying still win be the exact same thing if not worse than the White Flag Trade, when the team was 3.5 out with a lot fewer games to play and a much better team in front of them than there is right now? I think the Indians of 1997 would easily win 115 games in the current division considering the unbalanced schedule. As for Quentin, I heard an interview with KW who basically said Quentin is not injury prone its more just freak things. Well, he was hurt in college. Was hurt with the D-Backs, did get hurt last year, and hurt again this year. They all aren't related at all, which I believe was KW's point, but it seems to me some guys are injury-prone and he seems to be one of them. The thing that concerns me is all the times he is HBP. All it takes is one to knock him out a long time. I really wish he would wear some armour. Obviously, if he can remain healthy for long stretches he's one of the best hitters in baseball. I think the strength and conditioning guys and Herm and his minions have their work cut out for them with Carlos. He's too valuable to have spend too much time off the field.

He might as well try to play. If he has the surgery now, he's out the rest of the season. If he has the surgery when the season is over, he's still ready for spring training. It makes no sense to have it now. According to people who talked to him yesterday, he thinks he will be ready to play in about a week and a half.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 03:51 PM) It shows you how dumb North really is. On top of that, he really screwed a lot of people with this venture. If you want a sad read, check out the blog post Matt Weber, one of the hosts at CSWebio, posted last night. Little long, but an interesting read... http://webbyfiles.blogspot.com/ I work in the financial industry and need to have checks done everyday. We pay services to do checks on people and things get missed all the time. A google search is probably a little lame. Its really a little harsh to blame North for everyone else. They had the same opportunity to do background checks on Hernandez. If you think North is stupid for letting this guy's past slip by him, you should think the same of everyone else.

Quentin made an appearance at Macy's and said he may be back for the next Cubs series in about 10 days.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jun 15, 2009 -> 08:30 PM) Booing sends a message, we pay good money to watch our Sox, and dont want to watch this garbage player on the field. If booing a player made a team get rid of a player, I'd agree with you. It doesn't.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Jun 15, 2009 -> 07:38 PM) Just say no to Zito! Kenny Williams deserves a lot of credit for not being tied down to horrible contracts like Zito. Many teams around the league have these crap contracts filling up their rosters [just see the Cubs]. I just read today that Dontrelle Willis still has like $22 million due to him thru 2011. Thank goodness KW has had the foresight to not get bogged down in some bad contracts [like Rowand, Fukudome,] when a lot of people were calling for him to open the checkbook. He offered Fukudome more money than the Cubs did. He offered Rowand 4 years and when SF went to 5 he told Aaron he couldn't go 5. Not foresight. Luck.

Getting Zito would be a great idea. I also think the Sox should use all of the money that is coming off the books this next offseason to sign Carl Pavano to a 6 or 7 year contract at about $18 million a year. Maybe trade Flowers and Allen for Dontrelle Willis. That would be a pitching staff. You could probably get Big Papi for a song right now. Bring him in.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 11, 2009 -> 11:06 PM) I hope it is an injury. This organization for some reason really seems to be right on pitching prospects. The entire planet had given up on guys like Jose Contreras, Gavin Floyd, Esteban Loiaza, and DJ Carrasco. But somehow we turned them into studs. When they started talking up Marquez, I listened, based on their history. Perhaps he's along the Sisco, Aardsma, JVB lines. Marquez was very bad last year. He was a throw in. KW talked him up, but that was just propaganda. He never has had anywhere near the stuff of guys who the Sox have had success bring back from the dead like Thornotn, Contreras, Floyd and Loiasa. BTW, I couldn't care less what Nick Swisher's OPS is right now, I still think KW did well to dump him even if nothing he gets back pans out.

Per Ken Rosenthal: The White Sox may not receive good prospects in return if they deal Jermaine Dye, since "few clubs, if any" can afford to take on his $11.5MM salary and surrender top young players in the same deal. IF there's a firesale, unless the Sox are trading Jenks or Thornton, I really don't see how they are going to get top prospects, and with Dotel a soon to be FA, I don't know if I would want KW to trade away and weaken a strength just to acquire guys you can't be sure will do as well.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jun 11, 2009 -> 03:23 PM) Do they fly or take a bus? with no traffic it would be about 90 minutes They will take a bus or maybe even a train. I wouldn't be surprised if most guys just drive themselves as Monday is an off day and they will be in Chicago next week.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- « Josh Fields in White Sox's lineup, weather update | Main | U.S. Cellular Field weather update » Originally posted: June 11, 2009 Paul Konerko could return as soon as Friday, Ozzie Guillen says no talk of breakup By Mark Gonzales First baseman Paul Konerko believes he could return to the White Sox's lineup as soon as Friday night at Milwaukee. Konerko said he will take a pain-numbing injection Thursday, adding that the discomfort is similar to what he coped with last year. He hoped to hold off on an injection until the All-Star break but the pain became too acute. He said the discomfort was so bad that he had to take a two-strike pitch in his second at-bat Wednesday night against Justin Verlander that resulted in a called third strike This doesn't sound good.

Fields batting 9th. Maybe Ozzie is trying to get the team ready for the pitcher having to hit.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 11, 2009 -> 11:29 AM) Has to be? If Ozzie says he's available today, then it probably is NOT the ligament. He's been dealing with it for years. He's had it all year. It doesn't mean he can't play. He got jammed with a lot of gas last night and it probably caused a great deal of pain. It didn't help it was so cold. Perhaps it calmed down.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 11, 2009 -> 11:12 AM) I hope its nothing but a jam. The telling sign will be how well he can get to an inside fastball. It has to be the ligament as he's had this problem before and got a shot for it this spring. I would imagine the pain is the issue. He's been slumping lately, but he still has been hitting the ball pretty hard.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 11, 2009 -> 11:01 AM) As long as the Sox are in "contending" mode, we will see Josh Fields play first base. However, if the club falls out of contention you can expect to see Allen or even Viciedo promoted to handle 1st. My guess would be that they'd call up Allen before Viciedo because Allen is probably a bit more ready, although Viciedo clearly has the highest upside. That won't happen for another couple weeks, although a loss today would put the Sox closer and closer to the point where they have to turn there attention towards getting some of these young guys ready for next season. Not only so those young guys are more capable of playing next year, but so the Sox get a period to evaluate the guys at the major league level and decide what exactly they'll need to do to be able to compete next season (in what will likely be another season where a .500 record in the Central means your a contender). I personally expect to see Danks in Chicago by the end of July, however, Allen being up depends on what the Sox do with Thome/Konerko. If Konerko is healthy and Thome wants to stay in Chicago, Allen wont' get AB's. If Thome wants to go to a contender, well, than we'll see Allen promoted with Konerko sliding to DH. I'd say Paulie would get off-days but as long as he can take the field I don't see Konerko sitting out, he's just not the type of guy to do it. He's a gamer and he'll battle through, whether we are competing or not. BTW, regarding Viciedo and for that matter Ramirez, according to Rick Hahn, the White Sox still hold the 6 year rights to these guys, its not a situation like some Japanese players where arbitration is agreed to be waived, so the clock on Viciedo isn't running quite as fast as maybe we thought.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 11, 2009 -> 10:19 AM) He said that this year? Guillen ruled out using Jim Thome at first base for the nine interleague games at National League parks starting Friday and said Josh Fields probably would start Thursday against Detroit.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 11, 2009 -> 10:09 AM) Thome was, at one time not that long ago, a good defensive 1B. I realize he's had back issues since and he's no spring chicken, but if Paulie is out, I'd bet they get Thome at 1B a few times in the interleague road series'. Ozzie said no way.

What's the fascination with other teams' crap? The Sox have enough of their own. If Wang is healthy and able to pitch, the Yankees won't trade him.

If Konerko can't play, I'm going to be crying in Milwaukee. 9 games in a row without a DH means no Thome. So it would be no Thome, Konerko or Quentin for 9 games. I believe it was Alice Cooper who said Welcome to my Nightmare.

Podsednik lf Ramirez ss Dye rf Thome dh Konerko 1b Pierzynski c Beckham 3b Getz 2b Anderson cf