Dick Allen

QUOTE(TLAK @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 01:45 PM) Radio says about a 3:30 start. Buerhle's doing belly flops on the tarp. Good thing Jim Frye isn't the GM. He'd be paying a fine.

It stopped raining here and is really brightening up. It feels like the temp dropped 20 degrees.

QUOTE(I-HATE-CREDE @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 01:39 PM) Oh, an aristocrat. Yeah. It doesn't look good for my polo match today.

Its pouring on the Gold Coast.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 01:14 PM) I'm betting you'll get a nice batch of rain within 20 minutes. I just got dark as night. It looks like its going to pour. You were right. You need to send your resume to Tom Skilling. He could use your help.

Brantley has been anti-White Sox ever since he appeared on ESPN. He was ripping the Contreras/ELo trade last year talking up ELo like he was a 500 game winner. It was unbelievable. Of course, he never mentioned how wrong he was when ELo struggled and was almost traded again out of NY. I just don't pay any attention to him anymore. There must have been something in his playing days that has him holding a grudge.

I'm 5 miles north of USCF, the clouds are starting to roll in, but it is still sunny, hot and humid. They'll get this game in.

El Duque's pitch count is 94.

I bet the vendors at USCF love El Duque. They make a lot more money when he's on the hill.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 07:50 PM) What the hell is Duque's pitch count? I'm biting my nails with every single pitch. Its seems like it should be about 250, but its in the upper 80s to low 90s right now.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 07:44 PM) Jermaine dye is on fire. Is Hawk sick or something? I have heard his voice crack at least 3 times. Hawk has a cold or something.

QUOTE(Ozzie's Accent @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 07:43 PM) Konerko advances to second on a wild pitch. A triple will now score him. I was laughing outloud at this post. Thank you.

Its 5-4. Its Walker time. Thank God he gone.

Isn't Eric Chavez an option?

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 05:51 PM) The horse's mouth wouldn't be stupid enough to show their cards and lower the trade value of their players. How much did BMac's trade value rise when KW said he isn't trading him? How much did Chavez's trade value rise when Beane said he isn't trading him? The answer is it didn't do squat. If you want to move a player you want everyone who would be interested to know he could be had if the price was right. You don't want to say he's not available and not have teams inquire. That would be like stores not advertising their sales, or not even advertising at all. There are very few teams that could or would take on Chavez's contract. You don't want to negotiate with one team exclusively. What exactly is Chavez accomplishing saying he doesn't even want to play in Chicago? You would think if he wanted to play here he would say it, putting Beane in a corner, and lowering his value to make his wish come true.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 05:44 PM) It's a valid rumor because it makes sense for both parties. You're kidding yourself if you think there is nothing to it just because the parties involved say nothing is going to happen, of course they're going to say that, what would you expect?? Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying a trade is going to happen but just because Chavez says he's not going anywhere and kenny says nothing is going to happen means absolutely nothing. Your kidding yourself if you buy an unsubstaniated rumor from which there is no source over the horse's mouth.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 05:19 PM) Dick although i completely agree this won't happen at this point, i do think that Chavez is a huge upgrade despite his current play. He will not hit this way all year, and in addition he is a tested pro and big time player. I would much rather have Chavez up in the ninth in a playoff game with the bags loaded than crede. So would I. But despite his struggles, Crede has driven in some big runs in his career. I'm not crazy enough to say Crede is better than Chavez. No way. And I know Crede is represented by Scott B. which means if he ever performs at the level the organization was hoping he would perform, the contract he played under would be his last with the White Sox. I don't think KW would be opposed to placing Crede in a trade.

QUOTE(rafacosta @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 05:12 PM) I would do this deal in a hurry. Chavez is 3 time GG winner, is 27 years old what means he will have better years hitting wise. He is locked up for more 5 years. He has a huge contract, I know! Send PK and his one year great, another year sucks to hell and we can pay Chavez! About BMac? He still a minor leaguer, nobody knows what he will bring to us, he can be a Borchard or a MB. On Crede, nothing to say... :puke As much as Crede's play makes you want to puke (it has the same effect on me) he has actually played at least as well as Chavez has so far this season.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 05:08 PM) dick although I tend to agree that trade won't happen, I do indeed think there will be a trade and before the deadline maybe even before the 4th of july Unless the team collapses, I agree KW is going to want to deal. He can use some more bullpen help and a run producer for sure.

QUOTE(rafacosta @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 05:02 PM) IMO, what KW said means nothing. He is trying to get BMac's bid higher than it is right now...he is trying to send a messenge to Beane or whoever that wants to trade for BMac. Now, if Beane asks for BMac and Crede, just for these two, he will get it done, IMHO. Finding pitchers with BMac's ability who will be under team control for the next 6 years doesn't happen everyday. He does not have to try and drive his price up. Rick Hahn mentioned at Soxfest that BMac would bring "a king's ransom". Even if he were willing to trade him for Chavez, Chavez said he doesn't want to play here, meaning if he doesn't have a no trade clause and kill it immediately, he would demand a trade at the end of the season.

So let me get this straight. The "rumor" supposedly came from a caller on a radio show or someone on a message board saying Ken Rosenthal said it was a deal being discussed. Rosenthal was emailed and said he had no knowledge of said rumor. BB said it was BS. Chavez said it was BS, and that he did not want to play in Chicago. KW didn't say it was BS but said he isn't trading the main ingredient of said deal, therefore making it BS, and there still are people here that think this rumor still has validity?

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 03:32 PM) What offense...??? There are rumors of an offense, kind of like these Chavez rumors, they're all BS.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 03:19 PM) What kind of person is Billy Beane who signed Chavez based on the fact that he said they would be contenders, then traded away virtually every decent player on the team, and ALL of Chavez's closest teammates? Credibility and discussing probable trades are not one in the same. He wants the value for Chavez to stay high, and making him untouchable will make the offers better, got it? Many of the so called experts thought Oakland would be much better than they have been. They thought the additions of Kendall and Ginter would make the offense better, and thought their young pitching was ready to blossom. One of the reasons they have been so bad is Chavez has been worse than Crede. If he wanted to maximize Chavez's value he would say he would be available if the price is right and start a bidding war for his services. I also believe Chavez, if traded, would have a right to demand a trade at the end of the season. I don't know if he has a no-trade clause or not. Beane did surprise last off season by dealing both Hudson and Mulder. They both struggled a lot last season. It was believed he would deal just one.

If the option to replace Konerko is Ross Gload, be careful what you wish for.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 02:32 PM) So...you can post that in every thread and it still doesnt mean that its true. A player like Chavez wouldnt come out and say, you know what, I want to be traded and I will go anywhere, someone take me!!!!! But if he did want to come to Chicago, he would go out and say he didn't want to play in Chicago? With the way Beane spoke about it and Chavez spoke about it, if this trade ever happened (and it was never discussed by BB or KW) they would have no credibility at all. And what kind of character guy would Chavez be if he signed a huge contract and wanted to flee the second things didn't go very well in Oakland. If the team who acquired him stunk it up for 40 games would he try to get himself out of there?