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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 11:57 AM) Lol what? There’s no guarantee he’ll be good next year and that we’ll get something solid for him, but the possibility most definitely exists and the peripherals & velocity support that. Teams don't give away useful valuable pieces to dump a contract that is reasonable with a guy whose peripherals suggest will be halfway valuable. If Greg is pissed at the trade, I disagree with him. If he just thinks Soria sucks, he has a point. Anything you get from him is gravy, but chances are it won't be much.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 11:01 AM) https://deadspin.com/minnesota-center-reggi...-for-1821807664 Reggie Lynch of Minnesota suspended until 2020 because he's a serial rapist/assaulter. I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that a member of the Pitino family protected someone like that for so long, even allowing him to log a 11 pt, 12 reb, 7 block game against Illinois just this week. Of course they waited until after the Illinois game. The entire world, not just the referee community is against the Illini.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 10:26 AM) How do you figure ANY of that? His peripherals in 2016 suggest he had bad homerun luck, but everything else was fine. There might be something else going on that's important, but if so, it certainly can't be gleaned from his peripherals. What are you referring to? And if he puts together a strong first half, given his affordable salary and team option, he'll absolutely bring back a significant return. I will say he will not get an organization top 20 guy back. Let's wager.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 10:12 AM) So he blew the Royals 2017 season AND has the peripherals to suggest a bounceback year that could cause him to be a good flip candidate to get more prospects for the rebuild? Sounds great to me. This peripherals argument is weak. I look at his peripherals in 2016 and they suggest he is well on the road to done. Now his peripherals, like his traditional stats improve and suddenly he is a good flip candidate. The trade was fine, but lets not talk about him being a good flip candidate. A good flip candidate gets you something interesting back. This guy will get you maybe, if all goes well, a 26 year old in A ball who throws 100 and walks about 1 an inning.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 09:31 AM) So what you're saying is Greg is trashing Soria for having a really bad 2 weeks. Or you could throw out his first 10 innings and his K-Rate goes down to about 8.5 and his ERA goes up to 4.50. The price shows you what the league thinks. Maybe somehow he turns back the hands of time, but chances are he will not be very popular on Soxtalk in 2018 once games actually come around. So KC fans very well could be doing cartwheels they no longer have to see him in a Royals uniform. The trade does make sense for the White Sox, not because of Soria, but because of the other guy.

25 years ago today, a certain coach of a certain team from a certain city that begins with a C, ends in an O and has hicag in the middle, was canned by the beloved.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 09:02 AM) Isn't your 3rd paragraph doing exactly what you say people should quit doing in the first? No. I am not trying to actually spin Soria is good, because strikeouts, and might be able to get something decent at the deadline.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:59 PM) That’s fine, but then really don’t have a direction. Being a bottom third team with a bottom third farm is usually a recipe for disaster. I don't see where getting rid of their best asset for whatever they can get for him without holding out for something better, be it next week, next month, next year, gives them a better direction. If the Sox traded Q for whatever they could get last winter, the rebuild would be a little bit further back than what it is now.

I think people should quit giving Greg much crap about Soria. If he were so great, KC wouldn't have had to give up Alexander to get rid of the contract. Alexander might be a flash in the pan, Kelly Wunsch style, but he had some value. There's a pretty good chance the guy sucks, but from a White Sox point of view it makes sense to eat the money and gain at least another reliever as the paychecks for bullpen arms are rising very quickly.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:50 PM) Kaep probably should be happy he's not playing. The brain injury thing is serious issue and surely he's set for life financially from his previous years in the league. He could have made a ton of money holding a clipboard on Sundays. Ask Mike Glennon.

They play 38 games vs. KC and Detroit. They aren't losing 100 unless a lot of things go really wrong. And no one will be happy even if they got the top pick.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:45 PM) Soria is a horrific baseball pitcher, but he won't be with the Sox when they contend so no biggie. It will be annoying to see him pitch next season, however, on the South Side. Royals fans are dancing in the streets getting rid of Soria. I tend to agree with you. I thin he is pretty much done. He kept the ball in the park last year, but if he reverts to his 2016 form, it will be souvenir time in the bleachers. But worth the flier getting the lefty.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:41 PM) A lesser package than what? The Eaton deal? I’m not saying the Marlins would take that, I’m simply stating they might not be offered much more than that in the current market. Given they’re rebuilding, they might just take what the market bares. Who really knows with that organization. They don't have to dump salary anymore. I think with all the heat Jeter took and Manfred took, they aren't trading anyone for anything less than a stellar package for a while.

Sox getting $4 million in total.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:40 PM) The Dodgers, the team known for having endless resources and scouting and depth, clearly wanted him, which at least tells me they'll give him a shot. Rule 5 is riskier since you're stuck with him taking up a roster spot- and given how much depth they have, it would be hard for them to afford having an unproven guy taking up a spot all year. for the Dodgers, no he wouldn't stick all year. But there are several other teams if he was moderately thought of, could have at least taken a shot.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:38 PM) Friedman and Hahn have a pretty good working relationship. Guessing dodgers needed Team to take salary to work out, called one Sox I always thought when they moved in together for spring training, the White Sox and Dodgers would be making more deals. When they shared with the DBacks, they seemed to deal with them a lot. I supposed they see the other organization a lot.

The fact that no team was willing to take Jake Peter in the rule 5 kind of makes you think losing him isn't going to bite you on the ass one day.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:33 PM) Sox are getting 3 mil as well So they have to pay Soria $7 million with the buyout. and Avilan probably between $1.5-2 million. You can definitely improve the talent levelin your organization if you are willing to take on money.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:01 PM) Not that I disagree, but that came at a time when multiple contenders had loaded systems and were willing to move those pieces. I’m not sure the market is positioned quite that well for sellers right now. That is all fine and dandy but what motivation would the Marlins have to trade him for a lesser package?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:28 PM) Great trade for Dodgers. Alexander will thrive there. Reminds me of a younger Britton. It appears the Sox did pretty well too. Looks pretty much like a salary dump for the Royals and they gave up a pretty good piece to do so.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:23 PM) This deal seems very low risk depending on how much cash we get back. Two decent looking relief options can’t hurt. For a guy you were willing to let go for $50k, I agree. I wonder if this deal helps KC sign one of their free agents or if it is the beginning of a rebuild. Their vaunted bullpen appears to be in shambles.

I wonder how much cash the White Sox are getting back. Wasn't Peter exposed in the rule 5?

QUOTE (Sockin @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:17 PM) Soria is probably a flip candidate for the deadline. He makes pretty good money

Soria to White Sox as well

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 05:59 PM) As noted before - the only salary the White Sox would really care to shed is Shields, and he's not signed in 2019 so there's no real way the White Sox can send any money back to balance this. That means the only money moving in the deal would be Kemp's deal. The White Sox would basically be taking on $40 million or so in order to get talent from the Dodgers. That's comparable to the price the White Sox paid for Robert, give or take the penalties. In other words, for any version of this to make sense for the White Sox...they better be getting absolute gold back. Not a reclamation project like Joc - or at least not "only Joc", you need a very strong package to make this fair for the White Sox. You want guys who, 14 months ago, would be the top prospect in the White Sox system. Chances of a team taking on Kemps entire contract? Zero.