Dick Allen

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 05:41 PM) Why do the O's care if he ends up there for one season, a season in which O's will be bad if they trade him? Because they play them 18 or 19 times. It is very understandable. If the White Sox word isn't good enough, then it won't happen. Probably won't happen anyway. There has to be at least one top guy in the package or it makes no sense for Baltimore.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 05:35 PM) If all you gave up was Sanchez, and he walks, and he's a 2 WAR player like he was last year, congratulations you've weakened your 2019 and 2020 roster by $15 million a year in value. You guys know how this works. If "a year to pitch to him" is what it takes and that works, great, but Rick Hahn would be gambling his 2019 roster's key addition on that year. If he loses that gamble, there should be consequences. That isn't true necessarily. Someone has to play the position Sanchez would be playing to be a 2 WAR player. The Sox did spend a pretty high draft pick on a third baseman. They signed a SS to an early extension, and have a 2B many considered the top prospect in the game. So,Sanchez's 2 WAR might not be good enough to be a While Sox regular. I do agree the year to pitch him is garbage.

QUOTE (yesterday333 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 05:32 PM) Its not a strong offer... no top prospects... and we get a year to pitch to him. whats the down side? There is no downside other than You won't get Machado. Why would Baltimore trade him for mediocrity? They would be better off hanging on to him and hoping they can somehow make one final run,

If Machado was inked for 7 years and it took Kopech to get him, sign me up. A gold glove quality SS, 26 years old with 40 hr power could wind up being the best player in the game vs. a guy who appears maybe 32 times a year.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:24 PM) "Really nice guy except for when he murders people" That situation is weird, but he is far less conservative than his dad.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) yuck. Can't imagine how much i would hate if I heard Michael Reinsdorf was influencing a package back. I actually know someone who used to do business with Michael. He is actually more like one of us than anyone would believe when it comes to player personnel despite his affection for GarPax.

I wonder when we will all be sick of winning.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:00 PM) Our second tier would be many farm system's first tier^ Baltimore is not going to compete against a loaded Yankees and Red Sox in the East and would be best served goign through a rebuild. Dealing Machado would be the start of that. I have heard no desire on the Orioles part in trying to resign him, so you might as well shop him for the best offer either now or at the deadline? Great, but if the Sox had Manny Machado, getting guys like Fulmer or Dunning or Basabe still makes no sense. It isn't like those guys are eventually going to change your organization. Even with 1 year left, the Orioles have to acquire at least one player who can be a star, and a couple who have a shot of being decent players.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:56 AM) Im trying to figure out why they commented at all on their offer. No problem with letting the public think they have the best offer if they did or didnt. If they want the player, they don't want other teams to think they need to up their offer.

Why would the White Sox say they have the best offer? Of course they will downplay their offer. Again, if all Baltimore is going to get is second tier guys, there is no incentive for them to trade him.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) Can you name the last few stars that have been traded the offseason before their walk year? I’m sure there are examples, but I can’t think of one other than Shark and that’s using the term loosely. Feels like teams have smartened up and are saving their chips for impact players with more control. Wade Davis. Chapman was traded twice. There are a ton of deadline guys. I do think a non contending, rebuilding team trading prospects for a pending free agent is pretty much unprecedented.

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:39 AM) It's also important to mention that Machado finished with a .782 OPS last season and a 3.5 WAR. The Orioles missed the playoffs and lost over 85 games. People are acting like he's Ruth. Sure he's normally a 6ish WAR player which is really, really good but it's not earth shattering. He's had 3 seasons where he's put up over a 6.0 fWAR. He's 6 days older than Nicky Delmonico. BTW, Yaz in 1967, when Hawk talks about him....12.4 WAR

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:25 AM) Same, and the only way I could think Avi along with guys like you mentioned would be considered a "strong offer" (as twitter claims) is if other teams aren't willing to throw as much at this trade because of the impending free agency. Machado still is a GG fielder, could hit 40 homers, and could play SS. That, even for a season, should be worth a lot to a contender. That is why I can't see there being lowball offers. If Hahn is correct and signing guys is easier when they play for you, wouldn't a team he goes to the playoffs with be even more likely to re-sign him? It's a really bizarre situation. It is hard to imagine it making sense for the White Sox, and the Orioles. If it happens and Hahn is correct and has no problem signing Machado, I apologize. I just don't see how Manny playing in obscurity with a 76-86 team is going to make him shun other teams' dollars.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:49 AM) The only way this makes sense to me is if Hahn is trying to pass off some damaged goods. Considering what it takes for the Orioles to consider someone damaged goods, that is probably everyone in the White Sox organization. There is no way they would take someone that is actually hurt. Maybe they have identified players, pitchers in particular, that they feel will be hurt soon. I still think it's crazy unless you are trading a guy like Avi and some lesser pitcher like Dunning or Cease. Then, maybe, but why would Baltimore do that? Unless it is totally a steal, I am thinking this whole thing is much to do about nothing. Manny Machado now knows the White Sox plan to be serious suitors next year.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:45 AM) Yeah the players like it here but the fear is lack of exposure and marketing opportunities Players go where the money is. If the White Sox offer the best contract, the player will sign. The organization has a good rep among players. If not, you wouldn't have seen all the team friendly deals. The problem is, the White Sox try to get guys to sign for less because they can't spend $1 if they only have $.50. That isn't going to work for Machado. He is also going to have union pressure to get the most he can get.

3-20 without Niko 4-0 with him. f*** you Portis

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) https://mobile.twitter.com/scottmerkin/stat...329771035807744 So either this is mostly BS or they have guys like Avi and Abreu included in their package.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:29 AM) Rodon and Anderson for Machado sounds good to me. Baltimore taking Rodon isn't going to happen.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:24 AM) We all have to take a deep breath and realize that Hahn is not going to allow the Sox to get fleeced just to have Machado for one season. There's more going on here than we can currently see in rumors. Is Castillo really Machado's best friend? I do know Ozzie and his sons do know Machado from Miami. So they could have a little more info about his intentions. But this is a guy who is going to get paid at least top 4 of all time. Money talks. Why would he go this far and not test the open market?

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:08 AM) I like our minor league pick, but I just can't believe we didn't take a flyer on one of the 100 mph arm guys for the bullpen. Like, I know at some point Al Albuquerque will be back and we'll be watching him pitch instead of some guy with an actual arm and not-fake name. Yeah, I don't get that at all. If worse comes to worse, you offer them back. It's not a large investment and there is tons of space on the team.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:42 AM) That's terrible unless were also buying Burdi It was a little weird the Sox took an OF. They have plenty of those types for 2018. I am a bit shocked the organization that made us watch Dylan Covey, didn't draft a couple of these other pitchers with a wide open bullpen.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:26 AM) I honestly just don't get this. If you want Machado so badly, just be offer him the most amount of money in the off-season next year. Does the White Sox organization have such a great culture that he will begging to stay with us if we traded for him? I doubt it. This move just seems to contrary to everything Hahn has done the last year plus. I agree 100%. You spend all this time acquiring assets, now to trade them for a probable rental, since apparently you are selling culture over money, is exactly the opposite of what you have been doing. Most of the guys they traded have more control than Machado, and I love Machado. I really think, especially if he moves back to SS, he can be the best player in baseball. But you have to pay him if you want him. Keep your prospects and pay him when it's time. You can give him a nice presentation, and then offer him the most money and he will sign with you. If you aren't prepared to do that, he's gone anyway, and that is some more rebuilding time.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:24 AM) Sox lost no one in the ML phase But Guerrero's FIP in AA.

GarPax would sell this pick. Build up some capital with/for ownership.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 07:27 AM) Not trump money; compliment the money. It is interesting to note that the White Sox, except for Freddy Garcia, really haven't brought in a potential free agent, to "see the culture", but even that trade was about immediate winning. Machado will love the White Sox culture as long as they offer him the most money next winter.