Dick Allen

QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 06:02 PM) Man, I disagree with all of this. I don't think anyone is suggesting the Sox acquire Machado for 1 year and just roll the dice, unless the acquisition cost would be minimal, which we all know won't happen. If they can get a 72 hour window for an extension, it's worth some semi-serious pieces so you don't have to worry about 29 other teams in FA. Otherwise, no trade. In terms of the Yankees.....no, the Sox rebuild is not doomed because New York may acquire Machado. I just don't know why Machado would sign unless it is a significant overpay. The only thing I could think of, other than what I really think it is, which is the White Sox making it known they will try to sign him next winter, maybe they trade for him, try to sign him, if they can't, flip him at the deadline , andif you are lucky, you may pull a Yankees with Chapman, and get more than you gave up, and go after him again in the offseason. That does seem a bit far fetched though.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 05:38 PM) Opening day 2017 payroll: You are correct by a whopping $249,400. I am correct, and with Mike Illitch dead, which you ignored, they won't be anywhere near it again any time soon.

Trump really put himself in a tough spot with this one. If Moore wins, he will take full credit, and would one really want to? If he loses, he campaigned for Moore opponent in the primary and lost, then campaigned for Moore, another loss would make him a loser. Sad. I think he ultimately loses either way.

Getting your name out there is one way of legally tampering. Every team willing to pay Machados price next winter will want their names out there now in case he does get traded and thinks about an extension.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 05:08 PM) Are the Sox in any different position DA? I understand dont play BOS/NYY as often but ownership will need to absolutely spend big bucks soon to be able to compete. They are very different. Competing with Cleveland , Minnesota, Detroit, and KC, especially with the passing of Mike Illitch, $200 million payrolls aren't going to happen with any of them, let alone 2. If the White Eox right the ship, they will have an advantage.

So Trump has admitted to walking in on beauty contestants who have no clothes on, and grabbing women by the p**** because he is a star, yet he didn't do those things. SHS should be asked that question every day until she realizes what a fool Trump is making her look like and walks away.

If you are Baltimore or Tampa or Toronto, how do you realistically put together a team that can have sustained success with Boston and the Yankees being able to do what they do? You could get lucky and be good for a couple of years, and maybe make the playoffs, which they all have done, but perpetual rebuilding seems to be their fate.

I just think guys like Sanchez and Leury Garcia, are players that have some value, but aren't the types of guys where you acquire really interesting prospects. You get B-/C+ guys at best. You might as well keep them.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 10:36 AM) 2B & 3B are now open for them. Carlos Sanchez could make some sense for them if they don't feel comfortable going all in on Torres & Andujar next year. That would be fine, but what do you really think the Sox could get for Sanchez? I'm guessing nothing too interesting.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 10:08 AM) The Ozuna/Yellich markets may spark up some stuff, but yeah. I thought people were overplaying the "slow" factor but man is this boring. Too many unsigned free agents. It happens every year.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 09:02 AM) Abreu can also net a comp pick when/if he leaves in 2 years. Those aren't very high anymore.

QUOTE (asindc @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:55 AM) It's the "if" part of your statement that would make it a risk. An unnecessary risk at that. There is risk Abreu falls apart. Risk he plays well for 2 meaningless for the team, seasons, and leaves for more money. A year ago, even on May 1st, people would have loved to dump Abreu for a guy of JBJ's ilk. Now, some are questioning if even a guy like Devers is enough. I am one of Jose's biggest fans, but like the Dodgers used to say, it's better to trade a guy a year too early, than a year too late. Now is the time unless you are willing to pay him for his declining years, and not complain.

Niko and Portis a fine 1-2 punch tonight. Bulls no Niko. 3-20 Bulls with Niko. 3-0

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 04:31 PM) But then you have the exact same problem you have now, a player who doesn't fit your contention window who you'll likely have to trade to get pieces that will help the rebuild. By 2020, Bradley is a 30 year old CF in the final year of arbitration who might have lost some of his defensive value and may not have recovered any of his value with the bat. He's then a free agent in 2021. The only way he makes sense as part of an Abreu trade is if you believe his defensive value will hold into his mid 30s and you sign an extension with him immediately after the trade. He does for at least one season if not 2. Th fact is, if he bounces back to his 2016 level, you could get a ton for him in a year. The White Sox have always been quite fond of him. It is interesting Jose Contreras has been added to help Latin players assimilate. Maybe he will be more geared toward minor leaguers, or maybe they are preparing to fill the void Abreu would leave behind.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 04:22 PM) Just curious: How much do you think JBJ would cost, if he were a free agent? Same question for Abreu. The problem with JBJ is his agent. Boras. But he will make significantly less than Abreu in 2018, and 2019. That is money that can go elsewhere or saved in the piggy bank to use when it is time to win. It may be that we are all nuts and Neither Dombrowski or Hahn would be interested in such a swap.

The last 3 seasons Abreu has put up a combined 9.1 WAR. JBJ, 10.5. JBJ is cheaper and signed a year longer, and plays gold glove defense at a premium position. Normally, you would do this trade if it were available, 1 for 1, but if Abreu's leadership, something Hahn said is big, but won't trump production, and JBJ, taking a little step back offensevily last season, gets you another interesting prospect, you do it in a heartbeat. Bring Jose back in 2 years if he is still productive.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 02:38 PM) Jerry Crasnick‏Verified account @jcrasnick 35m35 minutes ago The #Royals have let teams know reliever Joakim Soria is available. He’ll make $9 million next year, and they’d like to move some money. Jason Hammel could also be available in trade. Like Soria, he’s signed for $9 million in 2018. I wonder if the White Sox will let teams know James Shields is available. The Royals can't possibly think other teams thought these guys were untouchable could they?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 01:41 PM) Yeah, it's true to say what the article said - none of the OD 2017 bullpen will be available to open 2018. Has there been an update? According to this, Jones is supposed to be ready for spring training. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0713-story.html

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 12:41 PM) The fact that we have zero members of the 2017 opening day bullpen on the 40 man roster today is mind blowing. It would be if it were true.

I think this is going to be a slow week all around. Not many FA have signed. They really should back these meetings up month or so, and maybe provide some incentive for teams and free agents to sign sooner. Maybe make the compensation lower for the tendered guys the earlier they sign. They could still hold the job fair.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 09:28 AM) Apparently haha I don't see the fit either. Fulmer beat SF, Det. And a Cleveland team that already clinched. The Sox bullpen pitched 4 hitless innimgs the game vs. Cleveland. Carson has some ability, but I think people taking his September starts as meaning much is crazy.

There is no way the Sox could get Bronson for Fulmer. 2 or 3 meaningless starts ago, Carson Fulmer was the biggest bust of the Hahn era. Now he can be used to acquire top 30 prospects?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 08:57 AM) They are getting more than enough shots every night though. Statistically I am not sure there is much that supports "lack of energy" unless I am missing something. They are losing, therefore everything looks worse.

One thing the Trumps are about is the truth. Like Jr. and his meeting about Russian adoption. And father Donald doesn't want Mueller looking at his finances. He might make up that Trump isn't worth $10 billion and might be short on the American thing to do and pay your taxes. Donald Trump is a God fearing patriot. Perhaps the greatest human ever. And his spawn are geniuses who just want to help their country. Why it can't be like Fox and Friendsa and the rest of the media have their collective tongues up anything Teumps asses is beyond me.

QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 10, 2017 -> 12:59 PM) When the President of the United States tweeted out a CONFIRMED fake video, the White House responded with “Whether it is a real video, the threat is real...that is what the President is talking about” Weird that the White House seems to pick and choose outrage over “fake news” Plus Trump is a big fan of Alex Jones. So fake news is pretty funny coming out of his mouth. His schtick is to accuse others of doing what he is doing, taking the attention off his lies and inaccuracies, and putting them on what he considers his opposition. It is amazing how many look the other way. He even has his s hills doing this. Hannity ranted how Obama was obsessed with Teump. Like nobody notices it is the other way around.