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QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 02:21 PM) Quintana listed on SoxFest, while DRob isn't Avi isn't listed. I guess he didn't appreciate getting booed last year. That was pretty classless.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) But Quintana is listed Yeah. Robertson wasn't there last year either. I don't think it is a sign he is already traded. But it is pretty apparent he is going to go probably pretty soon.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 02:21 PM) Robertson not listed in the SoxFest lineup Odds are he is going to be an ex White Sox by then.

Why is Eric Dickerson Mr. LA Ram now? He played there for 4 years 3 games, whining about money the last 2 years 3 games, eventually whining his way to a new team, even missing a couple of games with a hold out. Got traded. When he returned as the opposition the fans threw fake money at him. Now he acts like he is the Rams biggest booster. I guess he just wants people to think he is important again.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 01:41 PM) He was used as a reliever last year though. Yes, but just getting his feet wet. Make it full time in Spring Training, and when he goes to AAA. He was awful so he wasn't getting consistent work. I don't think he will pull an Andrew Miller, but I think he could still have a decent career.

Lunhow is all sabermetrics which lines him up with thinking Q really is a 5.0 WAR guy. He isn't as spectacular as many others but is more efficient. He will give up the pieces on the farm to get him IMO. And if Hahn can get AJ Reed as a throw in, it would be great. Cash in on his awfulness last season.

QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 12:12 PM) I take the AFL with a huge grain of salt, especially for catchers maybe he was just run down. Your right about the TEX league being an over inflation same can be said about the PCL but there are very encouraging signs in his profile. If musgrove is off the table I'm not against Hahn going for additional depth and i'm not against him adding in a non robertson or jones arm to ship back with Q like Jennings, Putnam or Petricka I would love Stubbs as a 4th or 5th piece in a deal having him at AAA with Giolito, Lopez, Martes & Fulmer would go a long way developmentally and would afford the sox the ability to not rush the tank job in '17 for Beer. Stubbs' ETA lines up perfectly for when the pitching core should make the jump in '18 and having him spend a whole minor league season catching the majority of our potential future rotation would be huge. Definitely. Mike Trout put up a .600 OPS in the AFL in 2011. In 2012 he was ROY AND 2nd in MVP voting, huge grain of salt for good and bad. Although good could propel them.

I think Turner can turn into a decent reliever. Minor league deal for a formerly very heralded 25 year old that can still get it up to 98 seems like a no brainer. He definitely has sucked the last few years. And the White Sox considering he could be a rotation piece last year was either total BS or very laughable.

I do think Musgrove is the hang up. I also think Q winds up in Houston for Martes, Tucker and others.

Does seem harmless, but what they are allowing is still hazing. Drop it all. What's the point ?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 10:50 PM) Just that the odds of Eaton's body holding up until 2019-2021 are 50/50 at best. His borderline reckless type of game just leaves too many possibilities for injuries. We saw it already with Rowand and how quickly he broke down in his 30's. Shane Victorino, another example, although not as close as Aaron. He's a lot more multi-dimensional than Pods as well, because of his arm and RF defense...once Pods lost his stolen base aggressiveness, he lost 50% of his value. And Eaton's had a lot more pop to his game than most expected, simply looking at him physically. That said, when he got "homer happy," it took him away from his infield hit/BB OBP mode, which arguably was even more valuable to disrupting the opposition. Yeah his walk rate and OBP really nosedived when he started hitting homers. #funwithimaginarynumbers

Ome problem with holding these relievers until the deadline will be a lack of save opportunities.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 04:23 PM) Where are people hearing that Musgrove is a sticking point? where are these hypothetical Astros deals even coming from? Not questioning, just curious (since I was offline most of the weekend). Gammons tweeted the ask was Martes, Tucker, Musgrove. Lunhow was quoted leaving the Winter Meetings that they aren't prepared to trade anyone that would be a core to their 2017 production. Might not be the hold up, but it sort of makes some sense.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 04:15 PM) Interesting to think of it in these terms. Jansen's $80 million deal turns into a $154 million deal with the next luxury cap penalties included. With the old 50% threshold it would have been $120. The Turner deal at $64 million turns into 123.2 million versus $96 million under the old CBA. These two contracts are costing the team an EXTRA $61.2 million in penalties that weren't there a month ago. That total is barely smaller than the White Sox all time biggest contract in franchise history. Here it is explained better. It isn't as much as you think, but it is still a lot http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/...iggest-payrolls

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) The Dodgers have the prospect depth to do it though. 1-1 draft slot is now $7.4 million. Taking on $20-30 million should net multiple top prospects. I just don't think it is feasible.

I don't see how that really works out for all involved. In the short term, the tax teams would just bite the bullet because if they give their better prospects away to save money, they will be in the position of having to spend more money to remain competitive because their system sucks.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 09:24 AM) If you guys want to get mad read the Crawfish Hunting thread about Quintana rumors. The most important thing to know is that Joe Musgrove could already give them Quintana like production next year. If the rumored asking price is legit, Musgrove could be the problem We're prepared to trade players to improve our club right now," Luhnow said before departing from the winter meetings Wednesday night. "We're just not prepared to trade away players that are core to our production in 2017, and those are sometimes the players that are required to get these deals done."

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 09:36 AM) Hopefully it's posturing because otherwise it's bulls*** It is just a writer's opinion that keeping him and signing a bunch of free agents in 2 years could make them a contender for 2019. No posturing. He says the Sox may need a guy like Q then. No s***, every team could use a guy like Q. But if they do absolutely have a hole in their rotation, doesn't it show these trades didn't work out as perfectly as hoped? Besides Hahn already has layed out his cards. As far as total rebuilds go, he is all in. Q is a goner.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 05:26 PM) As usual, DA has no idea what he's talking about. Jason and a Stone are great. So I complement them, and I have no idea what I'm talking about because you think they are great. Well, someone has no idea what they are talking about, as usual.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 04:53 PM) That's why it's not been done yet I think Musgrove may be the problem. Lunhow specially mentioned a 2017 piece. You can make a good case he is their #3 starter right now, If he made the trade he improves his top 3, but has the same 4/5. Tucker he probably would have to swallow deep to trade, but I think ultimately he would do it if he was just giving up prospects.

QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 04:43 PM) The Rodgers/Pint/Tapia deal makes a ton of sense for the rox. Their infield isn't going anywhere with Story at SS and Arenado at 3B till he his FA in '19, Pint hasn't reached A and Tapia doesn't have a place in that outfield especially with them signing desmond. Rodgers could fit the bill for 3B of the future or replace TA or Yoan if they fail to make adjustments and flame out. Pint has a TOR arm but hasn't made it to A ball yet even after being the #4 pick overall last year and Tapia if everything breaks right you could be looking at a Kevin Pillar / Devon White type of player in CF. I like the alleged Pirates offer but that seems steep even after seeing what Sale and Eaton got, i could see one of Glasnow or Meadows + Bell or Newman + Mitch Keller. Either package and I would be happy. Pint and Beer on a future Sox roster would be pretty hysterical

Jason and Steve were a comedy show in 2016, and you are going to need that the next couple of years, as the on the field product is going to be hard to watch. And Hawk for half the games telling you how much potential everyone has and how in his 113 decades in the game he has never seen so much minor league talent, is good for the product as well. I just hope it works, and quickly.

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) Also gave up 4 prospects for Carlos Gomez. 3 of them top 75 guys.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 03:28 PM) Would you do Nate Jones for Josh Bell? For sure. But I think the Pirates might die laughing at that proposal, and I like Nate Jones as much as anyone.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 03:12 PM) Besides, prospects are arguably more important to thr Pirates than any other team. They spend even less money than us on long term contracts. Prospects are their only way to stay competitive. Yeah. I can't see the Pirates going from almost trading Cutch for prospects to putting together a top prospect package for Q, unless they thought they could replace their top guys with the guys Cutch brought in, and therefore essentially trading Cutch for Q. But then they would have to spend some cash in their OF.