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I don't think Boston would give up Moncada for either. They spent $63 million signing him with bonus plus penalty. I find it hard to believe he would be available starlight up let alone in a package.

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 09:19 AM) I feel their only 3 contender teams that can pull off a trade for Sale that carry the offense talent we need to bring to the organization: Red Sox, Rangers, and Cubs. Houston can also be included, but I'm only sold on Bergman with Houston organization. I can't see the Sox making a major trade with the Cubs this this year or even in the future. Dodgers have the depth to get involved, but don't have the upper echlon hitters that we need to upgrade our offense. It really leaves us with the Red Sox and Rangers. Starting point: Red Sox: Moncado, Bientienadi, Devers, Kopech, PTBL: Groome for Sale and Robertson Rangers: Profar, Gallo, Brinson, Ortiz, Tavarez, De Leon for Sale If Cubs get involved: Schwarber, Baez, Jimenez, Torres, Happ for Sale. You have to really hurt the Cubs if your trading a Chris Sale to them. Good luck. The problem is Sale's value to the White Sox far exceeds what other teams woul be willing to give up. They will just go down a tier or 2 and save prospects. Levine with hi Soler/Baez for Sale is probably more in line with what the real offers are vs what we all hope. The Sox now are screwed again. If they trade these guys for realistic packages they will get hammered by everyone. If they don't cave in they will be accused of business as usual, with no clue. Just go back a year. They hang on to Shark after a hot streak. Yet according to some with no sources, they could have traded the pending free agent who led the league in HR allowed, hits allowed, and earned runs allowed that would have blown away the value of the comp pick they ultimately received. Sale is like a $50 million house. Yeah you might be worth billions and can afford it, but isn't the $25 million house enough house for you? Especially if you need several houses.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:14 PM) One guy did well in AAA, the other guy was awful. Like you said, maybe just put Turner in the bullpen and hope he can throw 98-99. Secondary stuff is horrible for a starter. He also did well in AAA when he came up for Texas? He sucks. You want the team to rebuild. Get used to horrible performances and accept them.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:03 PM) Give Ranaudo a shot instead of Turner please. Just remember, this guy was called up to start when the Sox were still trying to contend. And when Ranaudo s*** the bed you would wonder how they can bring up a guy wth an ERA over 17 . Most teams aren't 7 or 8 starters deep.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 03:20 PM) I still think sale's value makes him untradeable. Quintana's should, but...the world is not fair. I agree with this. It's pretty easy to expect less of a return on Quintana. It's hard to imagine a team offering what it would take to get them Sale, plus the team and fanbase are so invested in him. They should be just as invested in Quintana, or at least pretty close, but aren't. It would be interesting hearing the offers. I'd imagine there is a lot bigger difference in the offers than there is in performance.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) I'm not going to lie, it'll be a bittersweet moment when Sale is traded. He's been there since the beginning for me. He may be traded some day, but not in the next 10 days.

Hahn has always said they would listen to offers for any of their players.

QUOTE (Chi Town Sox @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) I have never understood why people say Stubhub is expensive. There are lower deck tickets for $11 right now on Stubhub, I went to opening day for $6. You know what's expensive? Buying tickets from a scalper and they end up being fake with no way of getting your money back. It's the percentage. I bought 2 tickets in the OF on July 4th for $10 each. With fees it was almost $29. That's over a 40% charge. I'm sure it isn't as quite as steep the higher you go but it still is rather high IMO.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 01:06 PM) This is my point when I say no guarantees. It could very well be the correct move, but we need to learn to not count our chickens before they hatch in trades. Exactly. Especially with prospects. There are a lot of former top 10 in the game guys who couldn't hack it. That's why if I was trading Sale, there is no way I don't get a starting major leaguer back as part of the package. And not many playoff teams would do that midseason. The Sox have to get more for these guys that teams got for their aces. They are signed cheaply for multiple years, not just one or two.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 12:55 PM) Kansas City being bad for 20 years has nothing to do with anything. No, selling star players for young players isn't a cure-all. But with the current and future set-up of the sox it makes more sense than doing nothing. Yes, things performed badly don't work out. Thanks. Things at the time that seem like great ideas don't work either. Matt Davidson, some couldn't believe the Sox fortune being able to get him. According to one very negative poster at the time of the trade, Davidson was the best 3B prospect available. The conversation was when does the Super 2 kick in. I posted BPs top 20 prospect list from 6 years ago on here a couple of months ago. If you had all of them, you would need a lot more help to be a playoff contender,just once in a while. Trading Sale with several years left on his contract better get you back actual future stars, not just guys that look like they may be them, or your rebuild makes no sense. And that is hard to do.

QUOTE (Sox Fan In Husker Land @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:10 AM) So what happens if they do a full rebuild? Does it matter if they go from 5th worst in attendance to dead last? 2012 - 24th 2013 - 24th 2014 - 28th 2015 - 26th 2016 - 26th The Royals who have less resources than what the Sox have, had sucked balls for a long time, in 2010 they traded their young Cy Young winner in Zach Greinke who was under team control for 2 more seasons. That didn't sit well with their fans. They netted Cain and Escobar, and used Odorizzi as part of a package to get them Shields and Wade Davis. Couple that with their drafting of Hosmer, Moustakas, and Gordon and bam they had a team that went from awful to losing a WS and then winning one. In small market KC. KC also had some big misses on high draft choices as well during that span. Top 5 picks of Cristian Colon, Bubba Starling, and Kyle Zimmer have not done much if anything. If they had hit on their top picks in the 2010-12 drafts they would be in the playoffs again this year, even with all of their injuries. KC's attendance went like this: 2009 - 26th 2010 - 25th (Greinke traded in offseason) 2011 - 27th 2012 - 25th 2013 - 26th 2014 - 25th 2015 - 10th 2016 - 11th Their attendance stayed virtually the same, until all that young talent came through for them. Now they have 30K at every game for a .500 team. The White Sox attendance will drop, as will their revenue and people will be wondering why they aren't breaking the bank giving teenagers millions. KC's rebuild took about 20 years. It doesn't just snap back unless a WS or 2 become involved.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) People who speak of our core and how close we are to competing... sure, our core is great. But you need a supporting cast to win. Our regime has proven time and time again that they are incapable of gathering an adequate supporting cast to complement our core. So you want these people to trade their established players for people they think will be good one day?

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:56 AM) Then we can always head to the FA market or the trade market to find our ace, if we do get to this "worst case scenario" point And trade the prospects you got for Sale for an ace that makes double his salary? Prospects bust. You can't give all your talent away or you wind up really sorry.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:52 AM) The complaints about Turner starting tonight were before Hahn said they're open for business. Doesn't matter. If they aren't going to win what difference does it make? Why do you harp on JB Shuck if you are all for losing and a rebuild? Why did you complain about Konerko in 2014? If the Sox went into full rebuild mode and had castoffs and just about every position, there would be plenty of complaining. Even from you.

People aren't going to be able to deal with a full rebuild. Just look at the facts. 2014 was a rebuilding season, how many people complained about Konerko taking the 25th spot and ruining "roster construction"? They weren't going to win, I thought people didn't care. And many who have said this season is over are complaining Jacob Turner is starting tonight. That's what you get in a rebuild. Guys like Jacob Turner starting, for years.

I bet he has cramps or something heat related.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 12:20 PM) So who is giving the Sox this haul everyone believes is coming for Sale and Quintana? Are the Dodgers giving up Seager? BoSox giving up Bogarts? Cubs giving up Schwarber? I'm sick of being stuck in the middle, but there is a right way to sell and a wrong way to sell. I don't trust this front office to know the difference Wasn't Seager available when they drafted Hawkins? Oops.

The problem is if all these guys suck and are going to be free agents fairly soon, who would give up anything of value to get them?

Does anyone have any idea how much cash teams get for a player of Carroll's ilk?

We are back to whoever the Sox bring in, the other team scores. The only question is how many?

I didn't think there was a chance they would reverse it but The runner always knows and Seager didn't upset so he must have been out.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 03:41 PM) Not at age 23. You didn't like the previous comparison? Carlos Rodon is 23. 23 year olds struggle sometimes. Why didn't they get an expensive veteran SS? Russell is younger than Baez.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 04:56 PM) I don't know what you are referring to Just joking as you changed your mind.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 04:54 PM) Give me Jones, Fulmer, or Jennings then If there were 2 out maybe Jomes but he wasn't ready. When the Sox used Rodon in a tough spot when he was just staring out, Robin got ripped. Jennings maybe but then they are out of lefties and he can get wild as well. I wish the Sox had more strike throwers.

You win some, you lose some.still in the black.